Another good thread on the topic: 20 ways to REALLY reduce your summer utility bills
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-Nathanael
Nathanael Szobody wrote:This is no theoretical question for me. As I write this I am draped in a wet sheet, trying to cool of enough to go to sleep after a long day of 102 degrees. My family and I have no a/c, no swamp cooler, but we do run our 12 volt fans nearly 24/7.
Over the next month or so the temperature will get over 115, as humidity rises steadily toward the rainy season that starts in June.
Most days it's an accomplishment that my family and I can still smile at each other at the end of the day. Sometimes we can't.
We cool the body through evaporation. When I work I tie a wet turban around my head and feel invincible. We shower 3 or 4 times a day. When we sleep, we lay wet clothes on our bare bodies with a 12 volt fan blowing on them. That works really well.
For bumming around a "frog cloth" around the shoulders or over the head works well.
Fundamentally though, this is about Molisson's "niche in space and time". How do you fit in the niche of very hot weather? Office work certainly doesn't fit at all. To thrive in heat you have to reduce consumption--another nod to Molisson--in this case, consumption of your own energy. You have to dramatically reduce expectations of your own productivity.
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Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:
Not sure if you were looking for suggestions, but maybe cooler heads can think straighter.
Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:if you can dig down in the ground a meter or two you can get cooler. I once walked into an ice cave in the middle of July--icicles. So I know that the wofati freezer idea is not far-fetched.
Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote: I think it was Mollison who talked about a village that had built in a solar air conditioning system by the arrangement of the houses.
Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote: For your own house, for the immediate, can you make something hot (black color) to draw air up and out of the house, creating a slight breeze?
-Nathanael
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Castles in the air never have a wet basement
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Pearl Sutton wrote:A weird idea that I have not tested yet, but might be worth trying if you have the option:
I am in a lot of pain, and I use muscle rub a lot. It's a mint based product, and it makes me SO COLD to put it on. I'm wondering if a mint tea type infusion with water sprayed or wiped on would be cooler than just the water evaporation. I'm planning to try it soon.
Something I have always done for heat is another weird one: anything that thins the blood and increases circulation. Most cultures that are in hot areas eat a lot of chile of some sort, which has curcumin, which thins the blood so your body can lose heat easier. I take niacin pills in the summer, the "flush" that you get from it is the capillaries opening up and the blood flowing easier. Garlic (probably any alliums,) fish oil, ginger and walnuts are other foods I know right off. Worth looking up if you are interested. BE CAREFUL IF YOU ARE ON MEDICATION!! Thinning your blood changes the dose of meds your body is using, and can overdose you if you do it too fast and don't adjust meds dosages at the same time. I'd highly recommend a good naturopath if you are taking meds, to help you not over do it.
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Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:
Pissing more helps heat leave your body if the air temperature is less than 98.6 F...if it's above that, then you're losing "cool" (relatively) liquid from yourself. . .so, you might actually benefit from drinking your urine, if that's something you're comfortable with (I am aware the US Army Field Manual says never to do this even when no other water is accessible...opinions vary)
-Nathanael
Nathanael Szobody wrote:I am thinking of hooking up A/C, but it's going to take a very expensive solar system.
Nathanael Szobody wrote:
Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:
Pissing more helps heat leave your body if the air temperature is less than 98.6 F...if it's above that, then you're losing "cool" (relatively) liquid from yourself. . .so, you might actually benefit from drinking your urine, if that's something you're comfortable with (I am aware the US Army Field Manual says never to do this even when no other water is accessible...opinions vary)
A/C runs on an electric motor--but now we're back to cooling the space...
The main thing is to drink lots of liquids and take it easy.
I am thinking of hooking up A/C, but it's going to take a very expensive solar system.
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Kyrt Ryder wrote:
Nathanael Szobody wrote:I am thinking of hooking up A/C, but it's going to take a very expensive solar system.
Depends. It doesn't require a very powerful AC to chill a micro office bedroom space engineered to be a cool room to retreat into during intense heat.
I know I could get by fine on 3 feet by 7 feet by 7 feet if the room is well designed. (Larger if it's for a family of course.)
-Nathanael
-Nathanael
Daniel Schmidt wrote:Does mint actually provide cooling properties, or is it just a sensation?
Gardens in my mind never need water
Castles in the air never have a wet basement
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Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:OK, getting my head wrapped around this a little more. When it's over 100 F, breathe less. Same answer as for keeping warm when it's cold...because it maintains your core temperature (which we hope is 98F). Every breath you take is heat-exchanging with the 115F outside you...
-Nathanael
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