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Mike Haasl wrote:I'd also like to mention that this thread is to get clarification on the requirements, scope, scale and proof needed for a BB.  Not for debating why a BB was approved/rejected/unfair/etc.



Hi Mike,

My apologies for putting my question in the wrong thread. I had another staff member direct me (via purple mooseage) to this thread to ask my question about the application of the plastic requirement.

I'd also like to thank Paul for his response so I can get more clarification into why my BB was rejected.

This situation brings up a question on the clarity of the instructions - the instructions state "Plastic touching the food, including cooking utensils and zip lock bags" is forbidden. If your goal is to completely remove plastic from every photo, then the instructions should read something like "plastic of any kind is forbidden, even if it is not directly touching food."

What are your thoughts?
 
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Hello everyone!

For the "Harvest and Store Grain - food.straw.storegrain PEP BB" I wonder if I could so some combination of oats, wheat, barley, rice, rye, and corn?

For example, 50% of each type:

1 gal of buckwheat
2.5 gals of corn

This could also be 60/40 or some other ratio. This would be similar to what is done for [url=https://permies.com/wiki/111859/pep-foraging/Fresh-harvest-list-PEP-BB]Fresh harvest list - PEP BB foraging.sand.fresh
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Clarifications:
- The 1 lb list or the 2 lb list can comprise any combination of the foraged foods listed to add up to the required weight (ie one pound of chokecherries and a pound of mulberries satisfies the 2 lb list)



Thank you for considering!
 
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Ahh, I initially thought your question was: Could you do 2 gallons of oats and wheat.  IE things within the same bullet point.  I would say that you can't split your effort between the two (corn and non-corn), as the BB is written.

In that foraging BB, the example is for things at the same quantity.  2 lbs of choke cherries or 2 lbs of mulberries or a combo
 
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Mike Haasl wrote:Ahh, I initially thought your question was: Could you do 2 gallons of oats and wheat.  IE things within the same bullet point.  I would say that you can't split your effort between the two (corn and non-corn), as the BB is written.

In that foraging BB, the example is for things at the same quantity.  2 lbs of choke cherries or 2 lbs of mulberries or a combo



Ok, would it be possible to do 1 gal of oats and 1 gal of wheat or some other split?
 
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I'd say so since it seems harder than just doing two gallons of one thing.
 
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Still trying to obtain a sense of results vs. methodology with BBs. For re-using shower water, I have an outdoor shower station where the water drains directly over plants I would like to water. Would a picture of the area with the plants and ones of the water reservoir before and after a shower qualify for the BB?
 
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This is the proper link to that shower BB.

A stated minimum requirement is that a bucket be placed in the shower to collect the water. However, since this is an outdoors shower I think having a collection bucket outside the actual shower would be acceptable. I think the point is to reuse shower water, not so much about how it is collected.
 
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Howdy, I was thinking about this Commerce BB: https://permies.com/wiki/118748/pep-commerce/Perform-sort-labor-internet-paid#960741 and it occurred to me that if I list an item for sale online and get paid electronically for a porch pick-up, then this counts?

If so, then I've completed it already, otherwise I have something in the works.

Edit: honestly, I go back and forth because on one hand the internet labor could be the contact and negotiation. yet the actual labor of the product sold isn't *just* your manual effort. However, I saw a few skippers undertake the sale of some kind of card series and the card themselves are the product but the Skippers did have to process the order and fill envelopes.

reference 1: https://permies.com/wiki/70/118748/pep-commerce/Perform-sort-labor-internet-paid#1572530

reference 2: https://permies.com/wiki/70/118748/pep-commerce/Perform-sort-labor-internet-paid#1784373
 
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Mike Barkley wrote:This is the proper link to that shower BB.

A stated minimum requirement is that a bucket be placed in the shower to collect the water. However, since this is an outdoors shower I think having a collection bucket outside the actual shower would be acceptable. I think the point is to reuse shower water, not so much about how it is collected.


Apologies, I'm currently coming to terms with my too-many-tabs-itis and have corrected the link.

I'd say my situation is that I'm starting with the container before showering instead of collecting the water after. Essentially 100% of the water goes to watering the plants. Is it okay to show that I've used 3 gallons of water during the shower with pictures of the source container (before and after) plus a picture showing that the shower location directly waters the plants (~1 foot uphill from a grape vine)?
 
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Alexandra Malecki wrote:Howdy, I was thinking about this Commerce BB: https://permies.com/wiki/118748/pep-commerce/Perform-sort-labor-internet-paid#960741 and it occurred to me that if I list an item for sale online and get paid electronically for a porch pick-up, then this counts?


There's grey areas between the commerce BBs and not every creative way people make money is covered by a BB.  For this, I'd say that selling something physical that people pick up off your porch is closer to a cottage industry than an internet labor item.  The intent (as I understand it) is to do work over the internet and get paid for it.
 
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Coydon Wallham wrote:Still trying to obtain a sense of results vs. methodology with BBs. For re-using shower water, I have an outdoor shower station where the water drains directly over plants I would like to water. Would a picture of the area with the plants and ones of the water reservoir before and after a shower qualify for the BB?


Not all BBs fit every way people live in the world and this one is aiming to get indoor plumbing people to dip their toes in greywater.  Going by how the BB is written, you could achieve it by collecting your outdoor shower water in a bucket and watering something (even very nearby) with it.
 
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Howdy, referencing: https://permies.com/wiki/102493/PEP-BB-naturalbuilding-sand-claypaint

I don’t have precisely a 4by 8 wall but I do have a wall that exceeds 32sq ft. I presume that this is acceptable but would like to confirm. Thanks!
 
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Yes, you're good to go as long as it's 32 square feet
 
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super! thanks! I already got that BB submitted but I'm not able to hit a "BB submission" post when editing:

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Alexandra Malecki wrote:update: I could hit convert to a BB but then I get an error message


Link to the post would help? The BB you mentioned above?
 
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Weird.  I hit the button to convert it to a BB submission and got the same error.  When you hit reply to the thread, does it give you the button then?  If so, just copy paste it all and try again?  Not sure cuz it looks correct behind the curtain....
 
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I originally used quote (which I do every time so that I can retain the BB requirements ----which makes it easier for reviewers) but that didn't work like it usually does.

With Mike's suggestion, I tried reply and was successful. Thanks for the help with the workaround! Though, this seems to be unusual still.

In case you'd like to review: https://permies.com/wiki/102493/PEP-BB-naturalbuilding-sand-claypaint#3079284 ;)

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Alexandra Malecki wrote:With Mike's suggestion, I tried reply and was successful. Thanks for the help with the workaround! Though, this seems to be unusual still.


I'm glad that Mike's workaround was successful. It looks like a nice project.

Generally, permie's computer imps work reliably, but when there is a glitch, I find it crazy difficult to figure out, let alone fix!
 
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