!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Permaculture Playing Cards - the purple deck

Donna Lynn wrote:

Tina Wolf wrote:

Maggie Ross wrote:Um, newbie question: are there pictures of these?
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There are a couple. However, the number and suit on the cards is yet to be determined. We would like to base the poll on the topics.

In this thread, above this Poor Man's Poll is one for the Back Card Design. Andres is a wonderful artist! Those pictures are there to vote on.

Actually, seeing the images associated with each topic could significantly affect the voting.  If an image is at all confusing or less aesthetically pleasing, one of the more upvoted topics might get fewer votes, and likewise a really amazing image might attract more votes despite illustrating a topic with less "blind" interest.   Since the whole purpose of the cards is to generate interest and further research into each topic, the images will have a major effect on that.  Just my 2 cents... and in fact I did not vote for a few items whose terminology I did not recognize.  An image might have sparked understanding and gotten a vote from me!  When I have spare time I plan to search and learn anyway, but by the time that happens I may have forgotten all about it...  

But I'm sure there is a reason behind your method, so carry on!

That makes sense. We could have a different one later. It seems to be a catch-22...Andres is creating the cards but doesn't know which suit and face/number they are...as you say, the artwork could affect opinions, too.

Have you seen the back of the card poll up above in this thread...https://permies.com/t/206569/Permaculture-Playing-Cards#2474829

Do you get the dailyish? He has a card out in the dailyish forum showing the artwork and asking for feedback.

Tina Wolf wrote:It seems to be a catch-22...Andres is creating the cards but doesn't know which suit and face/number they are...as you say, the artwork could affect opinions, too.

Have you seen the back of the card poll up above in this thread...https://permies.com/t/206569/Permaculture-Playing-Cards#2474829

Do you get the dailyish? He has a card out in the dailyish forum showing the artwork and asking for feedback.

Yes, I have seen both the artwork from the dailyish, and the back of card color poll, and gave input into both.  Can Andres just do the artwork without suit and number, then add those later as another "layer" in photoshop, or something comparable in whatever software he is using?  Even if he is doing everything by hand, numbers and suits can still be added later as long as room is left for them.   Years ago I did work in Photoshop, and the layer function came in quite handy for easy changes!  He could make every one the ace of hearts, then easily change them later, rather than leaving a blank space for the suit and number.  Or put a black suit on top and a red one on bottom just to show what both would look like with each image, again all to be changed to their permanent designations later.  Of course that would require serious proofreading before publication, LOL!

This one is the most pleasing to my eye, Nicole, you undersell yourself haha, it's gorgeous!


Nicole:

a very quick and dirty photoshop for the general idea. I'm sure Andres would do a much better job!!

I think a new card deck is a great idea. I am curious whether you are envisioning this as an "upgrade" (revision with maybe a couple swap-outs) or a new version (with mostly new material, even if some of the history characters remain the same). Don't know which of those I'd vote for, but just curious.

My vote:
1. Green
2. Gold
3. Cream

Please don't make them plastic. Playing cards were around for a thousand years before they were ever made in plastic. Permaculture cards in plastic? No, no, no. Besides, if they wear out, they can still be repurposed as info cards, or composted, or burnt for fuel, and then a new set can be purchased.... $

Thanks, Donna Lynn - that's exactly what I was thinking!

My choice would be blue.  My antichoice would be sepia because it I think it would be quite nice for it to be more dissimilar to the first deck.

Sorry that I don't know if these got used in the 1st deck?
Sourdough/polydough
Pee spots
Weed fertilizer
Different natural medicine recipes?
Mobile chicken tracktor/brooder
Mulch pits for greywater

sepia is my favorite overall. The others are too brash!

Yes I would support a kickstarter for new decks.  Last time I got a dozen from the kickstarter and kept one, passing the others to people I thought might actually take the time to read them.  
The accompanying pdf allowed me to come on here and see them bigger and to be able to read the small print.  It also gave me a chance to send those people on to permies to sign up, so they could get the pdf also.  
I like purple also, but any color is good with me.  I am looking at the info on the face.
As far as subjects so many good ones have been mentioned.  My biggest projects right now are growing organic matter for building soil in the clay desert, so anything remotely to do with that.  I liked the people part of the last deck.  Maybe the top person in different areas of permaculture.  I don't know who is doing what now  because I have been to busy homesteading to get on here in awhile, or I would make suggestions.  I don't care if the people even change or not, just who should I tell people to follow when I am trying to give a little push further toward permaculture.  Looking forward to the kickstarter.  It's always a good time watching those numbers rising up for yall.
Much love n light from nowhere northern nevada

Andrés Bernal wrote:Please give a thumbs up to your favorite color

Just to be extra-clear, the way we vote for a color is by clicking the thumb/+1 button on the posts above with the color(s) we like....right?

And if we have PIE, then it's OK for us to vote twice, yeah?

Christopher Weeks wrote:

Andrés Bernal wrote:Please give a thumbs up to your favorite color

Just to be extra-clear, the way we vote for a color is by clicking the thumb/+1 button on the posts above with the color(s) we like....right?

And if we have PIE, then it's OK for us to vote twice, yeah?

Yes. Plus, give any card feedback, please.

Newbie here again...
What are:
Pooless;
Bodgering (even GGG doesn't know!);
Bermshed;
Rock jack;
STUN; and
SKIP?
And I found Gert thank goodness, but who is Lorena?

Thank you!

Maggie Ross wrote:Newbie here again...
What are:
Pooless;
Bodgering (even GGG doesn't know!);
Bermshed;
Rock jack;
STUN; and
SKIP?
And I found Gert thank goodness, but who is Lorena?

Thank you!

The Lorena stove was a Ianto Evans innovation.  It is a wood burning cook stove used in Central America, Possibly Guatamala.  Burns less wood, doesn’t heat up the dwelling or fill it with smoke

SKIP is an acronym :  skills to inherit property.  It is a Paul Wheaton devised program.  Look around on permies!  It “lives” there

STUN  is another acronym :  strategic total utter neglect .  Originally sheer total utter neglect.  I think this was Mark Shepherd’s invention.  It’s a method of raising plants to get the tough ones.  Don’t pamper them, believe they are competent resilient organisms and treat them as such.  The switch to “strategic” is to represent the idea that we keep them alive, get them through the tough times ( no rain, blistering sun too early, or right after you set your starts out)

(sham)Poo less.  Quit using shampoo, just rinse your hair.  Many people’s hair responds quite well to this.

Bodgering is (I think) building with round wood even making the tools you need  (maybe a mallet?) There are probably some threads on bodgering in permies’, maybe in wood working forum.

Berm shed.  I don’t know if his is the only one on earth, or if it was a thing before Paul built his.  Its a shed with an open side, and the back wall is soil (a berm). It has a roof.  Again, search peemies forums.

Rock jack is a means of holding up a post when you have to fence across rocky ground.  It is in use at Paul’s place in Montana.  They might have invented it.  Should have threads and photos here on permies.

I hope that helps. Some of them I understand better than others.  Especially bodgering— that one I might be all the way wrong on!  But never fear, someone will refine any of these that need it.

Thank you, Thekla. I'm off to search the site.

Green! Though many of the other color themes look great!

Any way to make the cards more durable? They lasted only about 6 months down in Costa Rica

Tally - Current card topic counts:

1. Pooless: 26

2. Willow feeder: 15

3. Rocket cooktop: 22

4. Lorena: 4

5. Brush piles: 30

6. Junkpole fence: 14

7. Haybox cooker: 13

8. 87% off heat bill / micro heaters: 31

9. Chinampa: 35

10. Gert: 37

11. Carbon negative heater: 9

12. Natural cooling: 106

13. Cleaners you can eat: 17

14. Hedgerow/living fence: 40

15. Community living: 7

16. Bodgering: 16

17. Rocket oven: 23

18. Rocket kiln: 10

19. Rocket water heater (unpressurized): 28

20. Growing chicken feed / growing winter chicken feed: 23

21. 3 sisters (7 sisters?): 42

22. Bermshed: 7

23. Chop and drop: 26

24. Dry stack: 9

25. Rock jack: 8

26. Stack of rocks (habitat, mulch and harvest water from air): 26

27. Mowable meadow vs. lawn: 35

28. Round wood timber framing: 9

29. Cob adobe - duct tape for natural builders: 11

30. Truly passive greenhouse: 21

31. Forage gardening (kinda like guerrilla gardening): 12

32. Slip straw: 2

33. Freezer wofati: 3

34. Passive solar garden heater: 4

35. Spring terrace / humus well: 2

36. SKIP: 17

37. Post in the ground: 5

38. Mycelium insulation: 9

39. STUN: 9

40. Landrace / epigenetics: 40

41. Biophilic design: 6

42. Worm town: 7

43. Forest v woodland: 12

44. Mosquito mitigation (strong focus on bats): 23

45. Wavy deer fence: 15

46. Sealing a pond without a liner: 22

47. Earth plasters / tadelakt: 9

48. Grow mushrooms (instant food / shady+damp space)": 12

49. Starting fruit trees from seed: 35

50. Skiddable structures: 6

51. Soil microscopy: 7

52. Solar food dehydrator with rocket assist: 10

Don't sell the deck short! 54 cards with the pair of jokers!  That means 2 more subjects!

And it’s always nice to have a couple blank or replacement cards.  If you lose your 2 of hearts, you lose that particular card as a resource, but if you have a blank front with a matching back (identical to the rest of the deck) you just take a marker and write 2❤️ on it, and you can still use the deck for card games.

Only in this deck, the blank, or replacement cards could just have their permaculture topic, and not the suit and number.

Or if we REALLY wanted to have more cards, we could make a tarot deck… adds 26 more cards!

I’m getting excited to see these new cards.  Great solstice gifts.

Thekla McDaniels wrote:

Or if we REALLY wanted to have more cards, we could make a tarot deck… adds 26 more cards!

I’m getting excited to see these new cards.  Great solstice gifts.

I'd definitely be all over a tarot deck, but I'm not sure how one goes about creating a permaculture tarot! Something to think about!  

I am excited to see this new deck.

Deedee Dezso wrote:Don't sell the deck short! 54 cards with the pair of jokers!  That means 2 more subjects!

For the last deck, we just kinda did art on the jokers - no special topic.  

Maybe we could, instead, add something that is a bit more philosophical?

I could go for philosophical.  

And what appeals to me is to figure out what are the two values- concepts- philosophies that are the basis for all we do in permaculture.

Kind of like “be nice” is the underpinning value that makes all else possible on permies.com

Maybe something to reflect the diversity of permaculture, that the “best” strategy or action is unique to the situation.  That understanding the nature of the observed process we set out to alter is key, we steer natural processes rather than oppose them.

Or maybe the motto out of Taoist philosophy:   “The way will become clear”….. after careful consideration and observation.

I dunno, I just woke up.  I’m curious where this conversation will go!

weeds: because mother nature refuses to be your personal bitch

build good things rather than being angry at bad guys


obligation is poison

conflict comes from a difference of knowledge set


machines help us do more, but experience less

paul wheaton wrote:For the last deck, we just kinda did art on the jokers - no special topic.  

Maybe we could, instead, add something that is a bit more philosophical?

Or something humorous, being jokers and all?

Like a thwarted deer on the wrong side of a living fence, or a growling utility exec looking at RMH users' reduced utility bills.  Stuff like that that needs minimal "teaching."

A healthy smiling willow tree next to a willow feeder, while a smaller tree looks sad farther away, gazing longingly at the willow feeder.

A cartoonish caterpillar of a pest species running from heroic beneficial insects zooming out from their home in a supportive plant species.

Whatever fits best with minimal wording and gets a smile or laugh, and is easily understood from the illustration.

I also like Thekla's idea.

For the jokers:  Not in the face!  Not in the face!!

Hey I think it would be funny, but then I'm a little warped!

When the new cards are ready, count me in.  I'll have your check in the mail.


Peace

Andres started this thread two years ago and the first post still doesn't have 200 thumbs.  

I thought this would be a pretty fun project.  Maybe we can try to get more thumbs again sometime.

paul wheaton wrote:Andres started this thread two years ago and the first post still doesn't have 200 thumbs.  

I thought this would be a pretty fun project.  Maybe we can try to get more thumbs again sometime.

So my question is which deck did I just place an order for? The original or this new version?  After reading Paul's  quoted post, I'm thinking the original.  When I ordered, I believed I would be getting 2 decks of the new version.

Either way, please consider my payment for 2 decks as 2 votes for.... it won't close the gap if 200 is the goal, but I have spent considerably more for these than any regular deck of cards!

the only thing we have now is these



Which are really great.

https://gardener-gift.com/



The idea of this thread was to make a whole new second deck with all the new stuff we have thought of since the first deck.

These are great designs. I hope things are progressing well.  I'm looking forward to seeing the new cards

Hello Andrés!
It looks like you all have done a huge amount of work on the new deck of cards!   They are so beautiful.  I really love the purple color.  It makes it look special, almost like it is a magic deck of cards!  

I thought you guys pretty much covered everything in the first deck but it looks like this is a whole new deck with completely new content.

Wow! Loads of work has gone into these. I can't wait to get my hands on some!

Carla Burke wrote:Wow! Loads of work has gone into these. I can't wait to get my hands on some!

I want both decks as well and have now purchased 4 decks of the original!

My fervent hope is that enough folks will express interest for these to be put into production and we can all get secondary decks! Then games of Go Fish can be played by calls for the subject rather than # and suit!

Purple is my favorite color. I added another thumbs up on the very first post on the very first page of this thread.

I won’t say I read the whole thread, but I’m not wild about plastic. I think plastic Permaculture playing cards is an inherent self contradiction…. Are we to put the cards away in plastic for July?

I have a set of round cards. They are a tarot deck. I have had them and used them frequentlyfor more than 35 years. They are still fine.  And they shuffle fine.

I like the idea of appropriate use of technology. I am of the opinion that 3-D printing of the playing cards or holograph or laser inclusions are not appropriate use of technology, and increase the price of the cards.  I would like the new cards to exemplify the standards and principles of permaculture.

What I would like to see are some plain old cards that won’t be plain at all, they’ll be beautiful and fun and inspirational.

I bought a dozen of the original playing cards, and I had the poster which I donated to a teacher who put them in his classroom. If and when this second deck goes forward, I will probably give the teacher, a high school teacher, teaching environmental sciences and AP biology a set of the new cards. Maybe there will be a poster too.

Andrés Bernal wrote:Paul and I have been working on the Purple Deck for more than two years. There is still more to do, but a lot is finished and we are ready to share. I think it is time to put it out into the world. What do you think of the Permaculture Playing Cards: Purple Deck?



If you’d like to get one, please give this post a thumbs up. If we see 200 people interested, we can make this Kickstarter-worthy.

Here is a sneak peek of the cards. Fair warning, it is very purple :)

I'm wondering about posting something about this on the  northwest permaculture blog and newsletter. But I need a little nudge of interest and some guidance on if this is possible and if so how. You got my thumbs up!

Love them how do I get some ❤️

Grace Swanson wrote:Love them how do I get some ❤️

first step is to give a like to the first post in this thread here: https://permies.com/p/1722897

if we get to 200 we can do a kickstarter

Out of curiosity, I followed the link back to the first post in the thread to see how many have thumbed up.

There are 61 at 827 pm mountain time.

Yes please! I'm not a purple lover, but these are sharp in purple. Please make these and help me with my Christmas list! 💜