Tyler Ludens wrote:I'm impressed that people notice your permaculture at all! Take the opportunity to express your enthusiasm for this system of design and how it benefits your life (and everyone else's, even your neighbors')
Burra Maluca wrote:I'd probably drop in phrases like 'eye of the beholder' and 'garden of eden'.
Angelica Harris wrote:I was also thinking "eye of the beholder"!
My first thought was: "Well, since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think it's lovely, and you think it's ugly. And we're both right!"
And if that didn't end the discussion, well then you can't go wrong with a good natured shrug. Remember the golden rule: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
S Bengi wrote:I have heard that before where someone said the lawn grass is too tall at 4inch or that the cover crops is too wild at 12inches.
I say stuff like, I am building soil soil unless you want to buy some for me. Or Are you willing to come import and spread soil and cut the grass/weed weekly.
Other times I say I it's a multi year plan, I am currently building soil with cover crop, followed by woodchip.
Other times, I will say digg in that vegetable section and it will be bone dry after it raining yesterday, then I will say move over 15ft to the woodchip/weed area. Now dig, squeeze and water will be bead up, then I will say are you going to bring water over and water daily. because I am not going to pay for it or do the extrawork.
Tina Hillel wrote:My brother in law commented that he never saw so much lambsquarter left in a yard and garden.
My answer was looks tasty doesn't it, don't worry I'll share it😀
Mike Jay wrote:I'd say that the butterflies on my pollinator plants look much better to me than the chemically manicured lawn next door or the sterile poisoned monocrop in the field over there.
William Bronson wrote: Well, the dead jchoke stalks along side my driveway are ugly...
Worse, they aren't laying down rotting to feed next year's crop.
If the critic in question favors form over function, they will never see the inherent beauty of a permaculture or anything of the sort.
If not, showing them what chop and drop drop,leaving room for helpful insects and feeding the soil can do may reveal the beauty to them
Borislav Iliev wrote:I think the biggest problems I have with people is the part with ryegrass, I like my ryegrass tall so that I can touch its seeds with my hands while walking upright.
When people comment on it I tell them I like it lush, and I ask them why a short grass is more beautiful? So people have problems with explaining me the basis for that simple concept of beauty they have...
I think people have some fear of nature, and they always have the need to control it, sometimes just to show they have that ability, if people insist on the need of order in the garden just for the sake of it.
Spencer Miles wrote:So I got one of my degrees in Philosophy - this thread is closely related.
They laugh in derision and say "Whatteroo gunna do with a degree in philosfee - teach filosiphy??"
I have gotten so tired of it that I reply: "That or, you know, invent something like mathematics, engineering, scientific reasoning, rational law, accountability of government..."
Please forgive what might be seen as cynical or negative - like it or not, the first reaction of the majority is derision, ridicule, and even outright opposition.
That guy in Africa - who is called "the man who stopped the Sahara" - yeah, he decided to commit the blasphemy of simply burying rotten wood in the sand during the dry season. Halted and reversed desertification - got all sorts of awards.
While he was working on it, the locals didn't just mock him - they didn't simply point and laugh at the dry-land-farmer. Nope.
They tried to make law-enforcement stop him.
My response? Feel it. If they are genuine, take a moment to offer something like Conservation of Mass (call it Biological Physics) - "All that green has got to come from somewhere, and Scott's Fertilizer for your lawn comes from an Oil well (yeah, Oil Well).
If they aren't genuine - and you can feel it (tone and poise say EVERYTHING) - "None of your business." Or the oldy-but-goody: Ignore them (it'll REALLY mess with them)
"Don't talk to me"
"Read a book, Luddite."
"You till your dirt, and get your nose outta mine."
"You're a poopy head!!"
"I composted the fish you killed." (Be careful with the crazy angle... it's like the Atomic card, it can release many casualties"
Feel free to add some 'colorful metaphors' to nail home the point if they are a bit... too suburban?
It doesn't matter what you say - simply doesn't. If they feel compelled to criticize your "weeds", personal growth is not something you are going to give to them. Again, if they genuinely ask, you're honored to offer.
Speaking of that, I planted some Durum Wheat to pretty-up my BBQ mound (pile of dirt with a grill on top) - and the local "busy-body" threw a fit and pulled all the "weeds"
It was rather satisfying when I calmly said "Wheat is not weeds."
Also used Ponderosa Pine Needles as a path mulch - it was really pretty, smelled like the forest, stopped all the weeds and mud - and that #!$!#@ got mad, called it trash, and threw it all away - all mud, weeds, and real trash now. Yay urbania.
I wonder if anyone has ever seen a baby wildflower. God forbid I call some suburbanite kids "weeds" - oh the scandal.
The whole of the matter is that ignorance defaults to ridicule most of the time, in the majority of people - and it hasn't changed in 4000 years so, I wouldn't hope for too much in the way of results.
We think well of the fair-minded precisely because they're uncommon.
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