how do we tell more people about rocket mass heaters

paul wheaton wrote:I wonder if there could be a table-top thing that sits next to a window - and there is an exhaust to the outside through the window.  Kinda like a window mount air conditioner - but it would be a table top rocket heater.  When you are cold, you could feed it a bunch of cardboard and empty milk cartons.  

paul wheaton wrote:

Well, I don't know any celebrities.  And I don't have access to any big media.  But I do have a mailing list with more than 100,000 emails.  So I sent an email that tried to introduce the most basic bits of rmh.  This is not a 100% solution, but it is a 0.001% solution.  Maybe one person out of the 100,000 will be able to do something that ends up saving the day.

I tried.

paul wheaton wrote:So I created this thread and thought "how do we tell millions (or even billions) of people?"  

It seems the every media on the planet is asking the same question a thousand times a day.  

So there is a very powerful need right now - and when people are trying to figure out what to do, rocket mass heaters aren't even making the cut for the conversation.  

Ouch.

Well, I don't know any celebrities.  And I don't have access to any big media.  But I do have a mailing list with more than 100,000 emails.  So I sent an email that tried to introduce the most basic bits of rmh.  This is not a 100% solution, but it is a 0.001% solution.  Maybe one person out of the 100,000 will be able to do something that ends up saving the day.

I tried.

paul wheaton wrote:

How do we tell an extra hundred million people about rocket mass heaters?  

paul wheaton wrote:I wonder if there could be a table-top thing that sits next to a window - and there is an exhaust to the outside through the window.  Kinda like a window mount air conditioner - but it would be a table top rocket heater.  When you are cold, you could feed it a bunch of cardboard and empty milk cartons.  

Jimothy Jimson wrote:Paul, are DiY Rocket Mass Heater DVDs/videos no longer available? The paypal button does not work.

Nor does the package of heater plans from the Wisners.

Rebekah Harmon wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:

Well, I don't know any celebrities.  And I don't have access to any big media.  But I do have a mailing list with more than 100,000 emails.  So I sent an email that tried to introduce the most basic bits of rmh.  This is not a 100% solution, but it is a 0.001% solution.  Maybe one person out of the 100,000 will be able to do something that ends up saving the day.

I tried.

Don't you give up!! Paul! I think the RMH mini is a great idea! A world-saving idea! Who is with me?!

Everyone who gives a crap:
Let's find the best model by building a mini RMH WITHIN TWO WEEKS and comparing them. Then, at the jamboree next month, we can tweak and build the best one to broadcast out for the masses. Anyone know of a working model already??

I'll make one, I commit. Who else?

Paul, will you reach out to other YouTube creators for a joint campaign?? They will respond to you, the Duke, but might not have time to respond to me.

paul wheaton wrote:

Jimothy Jimson wrote:Paul, are DiY Rocket Mass Heater DVDs/videos no longer available? The paypal button does not work.

Nor does the package of heater plans from the Wisners.

Which link are you using?

Is it this?

https://richsoil.com/wood-heat.jsp

Jimothy Jimson wrote:Yes, that's the one. The paypal logo just spins and spins but never goes anywhere. Tried it on two browsers and the PC too. I'm in the US, btw.

Jimothy J

paul wheaton wrote:

Jimothy Jimson wrote:Paul, are DiY Rocket Mass Heater DVDs/videos no longer available? The paypal button does not work.

Nor does the package of heater plans from the Wisners.

Which link are you using?

Is it this?

https://richsoil.com/wood-heat.jsp

Beau Davidson wrote:

Jimothy Jimson wrote:Yes, that's the one. The paypal logo just spins and spins but never goes anywhere. Tried it on two browsers and the PC too. I'm in the US, btw.

Jimothy J

paul wheaton wrote:

Jimothy Jimson wrote:Paul, are DiY Rocket Mass Heater DVDs/videos no longer available? The paypal button does not work.

Nor does the package of heater plans from the Wisners.

Which link are you using?

Is it this?

https://richsoil.com/wood-heat.jsp

That's weird, all 4 links work for me, loading up with the correct amount in a paypal checkout window.  

Anyone else having trouble with the payment links at https://richsoil.com/wood-heat.jsp?

paul wheaton wrote:Apparently a lot of people this year are gonna have some sadness surrounding home heat.  

Margaux Knox wrote:

Beau Davidson wrote:

Jimothy Jimson wrote:


That's weird, all 4 links work for me, loading up with the correct amount in a paypal checkout window.  

Anyone else having trouble with the payment links at https://richsoil.com/wood-heat.jsp?

Works for me!

Jimothy Jimson wrote:Perhaps it is just on my end. Ida know. Will try again later.
Tnx,
Jimothy J

Margaux Knox wrote:

Beau Davidson wrote:

Jimothy Jimson wrote:


That's weird, all 4 links work for me, loading up with the correct amount in a paypal checkout window.  

Anyone else having trouble with the payment links at https://richsoil.com/wood-heat.jsp?

Works for me!

Hi Jimothy,
It looks like the yellow buy here button is inopt. Can you tell me if you've clicked on the red hyperlinked dollar amount of the one you'd like to purchase?

I will attach a screen shot for reference.

Anne Miller wrote:I keep reading in this thread and in another something thread something like this statement:

Rachel said, " Implementation in average existing housing stock prevents people who learn about it from moving forward.

While I admit I have not built one though I believe if one can be built in a tent or even the Fisher Price House why not put one in a regular home?

Lina Joana wrote:Weight. I believe the fisher price house needed extra support put in. Most standard houses do not have a floor that can take the mass without reinforcement.

Bob Frenock wrote:I would have already built one a) if I thought these were past the point of experimental and b) if I thought that I wouldn't have to rebuild the burn tube every few years.  Getting too old for that and I seldom see any info about longevity compared to conventional wood stoves (which I use). And yes, I would really like to cut down on the three-plus cords of wood I cut and burn every year as my sole source of heat .

Chris McClellan wrote:I'm with you Rebekah. I'm building a couple little things here. I will post some drawings.

Rebekah Harmon wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:

Well, I don't know any celebrities.  And I don't have access to any big media.  But I do have a mailing list with more than 100,000 emails.  So I sent an email that tried to introduce the most basic bits of rmh.  This is not a 100% solution, but it is a 0.001% solution.  Maybe one person out of the 100,000 will be able to do something that ends up saving the day.

I tried.

Don't you give up!! Paul! I think the RMH mini is a great idea! A world-saving idea! Who is with me?!

Everyone who gives a crap:
Let's find the best model by building a mini RMH WITHIN TWO WEEKS and comparing them. Then, at the jamboree next month, we can tweak and build the best one to broadcast out for the masses. Anyone know of a working model already??

I'll make one, I commit. Who else?

Paul, will you reach out to other YouTube creators for a joint campaign?? They will respond to you, the Duke, but might not have time to respond to me.

paul wheaton wrote:Rebekah,

I think the big thing is:  when people talk about the problem, somebody stands up says "rmh".  You would think that we have reached a few million people by now, so when the problem is presented, you would see "rmh" being mentioned as the solution over and over.  

Anne Miller wrote:

Lina Joana wrote:Weight. I believe the fisher price house needed extra support put in. Most standard houses do not have a floor that can take the mass without reinforcement.

I feel that is just an excuse to justify that someone is too lazy to build one or just too tight to spend the money.

paul wheaton wrote:

Sandrine Coosemans wrote:How do you convince a homeowner who probably put a good bit of money and effort into installing a well-functioning and efficient (albeit expensive and unsustainable) heating system, to throw that out the window completely - and put in a rocket mass heater instead?

Instead of "instead" howzabout "in addition to"?  

The fisher price house had a propane heater.  We added a rmh and used it so much that the propane heater didn't come on.  But if the house were to be empty for a week or two, the propane heater could do its job.

Might be simple and straightforward for a small house or a trailer, but what if you're tackling a more complex heating installation in a multi-storey (and not open plan) family home?

It's been done.

Most people don't want to build their own heating system.

True!

And most people don't want to build their own nuclear reactor either - but that nuclear reactor stuff is taking up about a thousand times more brain space than rocket mass heaters.

Brody said, "support massive amounts of weight

Jarrett said, "where can we find some examples of RMH in a complex install like stated above? That's my drawback to figuring out how to heat our entire house that is not an open floor plan, has multiple smaller rooms, etc.

Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:==========================================================================================
                      You are cordially invited to


                       -- Wood Mass Heater Day --

[First Saturday in October]
at [host's address here]

Hello Neighbor,

Come visit a wood mass heater in your neighborhood.  You'll get to experience the warmth yourself, learn about codes, insurance, safety, and aesethic and cost considerations, and the impact you can have on your children and children's lives.  

Refreshments will be served.

=============================================================================================================================


This plus up-to-date info on codes and insurance policies and safety talking points, with demo of the RMH in operation.

--

I just discussed this idea on the phone with the folks at the Liberator company and they said they'll look into it, take a look at their market data/sale data I guess.  We'll see.


But people who have a code-approved masonry heater, RMH, or anything at all that is substantively more efficient than a wood stove would be welcome to participate.

If yours isn't code-approved and you're situated such that you don't have to meet codes, that is also fine.  (Actually, I can't stop anyone from holding a Wood Mass Heater Day event, it's not copyright).

I think this would go a long way toward the next leg of progress, and consolidate progress already made effectively.

Anne Miller wrote:

Brody said, "support massive amounts of weight

What does a RMH consist of that have massive amounts of weight yet can be portable?