Everything I've learned about snow removal

Last weekend it snowed 8 feet at my house. The weekend before it snowed 7 feet. This week it's forecasted for another 4 feet or so. Which is to say, snow shoveling has been on my mind as of late. So I thought it might be fun to write down all I've learned about snow shoveling. I'd estimate that I've reduced my effort snow shoveling 100x over the past decade. After each of these storms, my girlfriend and I have spent about 1-2 hours each clearing our driveway by hand. That's less time than my neighbor spent trying to get his snowblower working!

Most of this is fairly particular to my location and context, but I think many people can benefit from some of this. Out here in the Sierras we get huge, wet storms followed by clear days. The city does plow my road, but usually 1-2 days after a storm. For many reasons, I choose not to use a snowblower. They are expensive, loud, nasty smelling machines that break down often and require constant maintenance and babying to keep functioning. I can keep my shovel outside and it works every single time without any preamble at all.

When to clear snow

The most important thing you can learn to reduce your effort in clearing snow is to understand the best times to clear the snow. You have three goals when clearing snow:

1. Gain access to the road
2. Reduce ice (slippery stuff!)
3. Do your future self a favor (leave room for the next storm)

The most important thing you must do is pay attention to the weather. If the snow is coming in warm (30˚F+), you want to remove it as soon as possible. If there's more than a couple inches, you should get out there and clear it. Don't let it pile up! Wet snow is heavy. Don't let it sit overnight! Freezing temperatures will turn wet snow into a hard-packed glacier. If the snow is coming in cold (<20˚F) it will be nice and fluffy. You can leave that snow be until it is going to warm up (30˚F+). It'll stay unconsolidated and easy to move.

When the plow comes by your street, it has the effect of a super warm day followed by a freezing night. That is to say, it turns any snow at all into hard ice chunks almost immediately (avalanche effect). As soon as possible after the plow comes by, clear your berm. The longer you wait, the harder it will be. Sometimes this means a groany five minutes of shoveling when you were ready for bed versus two hours the next morning when you need to get to work. If you wait long enough, you will need heavy equipment (skid steer or tractor) to clear the berm.

Keep in mind this temperature effect when choosing how cleanly to scrape your driveway. Packed powder has far more traction than ice. But packed powder + warm temperatures = ice rink. If it's staying cold, I'll leave an inch of snow on the driveway so I can walk comfortably. If it's going to get warm, I scrape it down to the pavement.


How to shovel

The most important shoveling technique to learn is to stop shoveling! You want to be pushing the snow around, not picking it up. Shovels should be used to break snow up and move it short distances. So let's get started with the tools you should have.

The shovel



Go and get yourself a nice metal shovel. A transfer shovel can be used for this, but I much prefer a snow-specific shovel. Mine has metal teeth on the ends, a scoop shape, plastic glides on the bottom, a D-handle, and even folds up! I can fold it up and pack it behind the seat of my R32 (a tiny little 2 door passenger car). Don't even think about a plastic shovel if you get a lot of snow. It will fail you in your moment of most need.

The push bucket



This tool is a miracle of science. I cannot even fathom not owning it anymore. I want to buy more of them. It holds as much snow as twenty shovels full and can push another ten shovels full in front of the bucket. Instead of laboring with your back and biceps, you can stand up straight and use your legs to push the snow on the ground. This will reduce fatigue by leaps and bounds. Would you rather carry a baby down the street, or push them in a stroller?

The scraper



The last tool you'll want is a nice metal scraper. I think this was called a sidewalk scraper. But anything of similar shape will do fine. This is for hacking pure ice and scraping hard packed snow/ice off hard surfaces.

Now that you've got the tools squared away, you need to move the snow. Your goal is to push the snow into the street (where the plow will reach it), down the flow of traffic from your house (so that the plow will push it away from  your house, not back into your driveway!), into a nice smooth ramp (so that you can glide the push-shovel up the ramp). Here's the end product:



You can use any strategy you want to clear the snow. With two people, it's kind of nice for one person to push the snow from the driveway into the street while the other person pushes the snow from the street onto the ramp.

The last thing to keep in mind while shoveling is where the snow for the next storm is going to go. If you can't push the snow into the street where city plows will deal with it, you should really take some time in the summer to plan out where your snow pile is going to be. Hopefully in a sunny place where it'll have more chance to melt and consolidate in the sun.


Aspects of your property

Once you've done the snow shuffle a few dozen times, you'll start to learn that there are some environmental factors that make some driveways easier to clear than others.

The good side of the street

If you happen to live on the sunny side of the street, that means your snow will melt faster! It also means your snow will melt faster :( So while you might be happy in springtime, you might watch your driveway turn into an ice skating rink during freeze/thaw cycles. Still, most of us prefer the sunny side. It'll give your driveway a break in between storm cycles.

The other thing you'll realize is how nice it is to live on the side of the street that slopes down to the right of your driveway as you leave. This means that when you are pushing snow down the street (so the plow doesn't push it right back into your driveway), you'll be pushing it down hill.

And speaking of slopes, probably the most important aspect of a driveway designed for snow removal is that it slopes away from your house. In fact you want everything sloping away from your house. It makes snow removal easier (pushing down hill), but more importantly, it will prevent flooding and the resulting ice-rink caused by flooding. No, your french drain will not  not help you. In the winter, all drains get clogged with snow and ice and do not function. I would never purchase property with an inward sloping driveway. Every single person I've known with one of these has had massive flood damage and lives in misery all winter with their ice-rink driveway.

The mailbox shuffle

My mail carrier drives an old Jeep CJ and can make it through some pretty gnarly conditions. That doesn't mean she can clear a 7ft berm to deliver my mail. She needs a nice arc so she can pull the Jeep up and reach the mailbox out the window. But here's the dilemma: if my mailbox is close enough to the street for her to reach it, it's also close enough to get decimated by the plows.



That's why I've settled on a movable mailbox. AKA a bucket full of dirt with a mailbox shoved inside. I put the mailbox in the center of my driveway. I'm going to clear that out anyway, and that gives my mail carrier the widest arc to be able to drive in past the berm to reach the mailbox.

Markers

Get yourself some snow stakes. I'm sure you know where your driveway is, but trust me — things get more complicated when the snow piles up. I haven't seen my curb in a month. But that's not even the real reason to put up snow stakes. You do it for your plow driver. You know, the poor soul in a giant tractor navigating residential streets at 11pm during a blizzard. They'll thank you for some nice brightly colored markers with reflectors showing where your driveway starts and stops. Most plows have a gate they can drop that temporarily holds back the berm caused by plowing, and the snow stakes also allow them to get closer to your property line since they know where it is. Even if it's "obvious" where your driveway is, put them out and be a good neighbor to that driver. They'll appreciate you trying to help them out.

Now that you've spent all that time, sit back and enjoy your job well done!








And don't forget an old piece of wisdom I learned from one of my old neighbors: why spend money to fix the road when you can buy a truck instead? (There are many ways to solve the same problem, this is just how I do it…)

Good tips Kyle!!!  

In my area you can't push or snowblow snow out into the road.

If you can't push it into the road, would your push bucket be as useful?  I see them around but didn't understand how to use them.  I guess in my case you could push the snow back onto the yard a fair ways.  Then just keep pushing it in that direction and hope you run out of winter before you can't push it off the driveway anymore.

One thing I did when I lived in a subdivision with a double wide driveway was to let it become a one car driveway at the road.  Then when the plow came along I only had to remove half as much snow.  

At another house with a sidewalk to clear, I'd pile the snow on the parking strip (between sidewalk and road).  Then when the plow came along my pile would block some of the snow so I didn't have to clear as much from the sidewalk.

Yikes, I couldn't imagine not being able to get the snow into the road and out of the property! But to answer your question, the push-shovel does work great even if you're just piling snow up on your property. I actually have another big ramp of snow just to the left of the top of my driveway. Sometimes there's so much snow I feel bad pushing more into the street (you always wanna keep the road at least one emergency vehicle lane wide). That makes for a slight uphill path, but it still beats flinging snow around with my arms. You just kind of have to change your mindset about snow removal... building little walking/sliding paths to the snow storage area of your choice.

As noted each persons situation can result in different strategies.  I'll toss in some ideas for those in a rural setting where there is a long, unpaved driveway.

For years I had a huge, beautiful oak tree at the end of my driveway.  Then the road crew came along to dig a drainage ditch and took out a big chunk of the trees roots.  It became a poor, half dead, struggling thing, always in danger of dropping large limbs.  One spring in a big storm it finally fell.  That was a sad day, but it was pretty cool how a whole bunch of my neighbors came along and helped me cut it up for firewood.  :)  

The next winter I had something of a revelation regarding a great way to conserve energy with my snow shoveling.  In the warmer months I tend to park my car maybe 100 feet up the driveway, well away from the road.  However, it's just parked in the yard, not in a garage or anything.  In the winter I'd shovel a huge amount of snow for my drive and a turn around section so I didn't have to back out a long drive.  Without the half dead tree looming over the end of the driveway though I realized one day that it was completely stupid and wasteful of my personal time/energy to shovel this long, car wide section.  Instead I started backing my car into the driveway from the start, but only going back about a car length and just parking there.  There was absolutely no reason I had to drive/shovel my way back to the normal spot.  I stay a car length back from the road so the frag from the county snow plows isn't pummeling my car.  So now I just have a short section to shovel to the width of the car and the rest is simply a single shovel wide foot path up to my door.

I have to agree with Kyle that it's best to try and push the snow as much as possible rather than lifting it.  If you are dealing with irregular surfaces like a dirt/gravel drive/yard I find it can be handy to be a bit sloppy initially, leaving some snow to get packed down into a smoother surface.  After this base is made I find it tends to be easier to push my metal shovel along it without the shovel getting caught and hung up on sticks, dirt bumps, grass, etc.

Kyle Neath wrote:The shovel



Go and get yourself a nice metal shovel. A transfer shovel can be used for this, but I much prefer a snow-specific shovel. Mine has metal teeth on the ends, a scoop shape, plastic glides on the bottom, a D-handle, and even folds up! I can fold it up and pack it behind the seat of my R32 (a tiny little 2 door passenger car). Don't even think about a plastic shovel if you get a lot of snow. It will fail you in your moment of most need.

I covet thine shovel.

I think this is it at Amazon:  DMOS Original Alpha Shovel, though there are wider ones there, too.

We've had so many snow shovels just not stand up to the helpers here. We bought two new metal (far cheaper than yours) shovels and on the first day, one was bent. Then, I used the second shovel without bending it for two years...until the first day this year that I had new helpers. Now both our metal snow shovels are bent. When they are bent, they suck.

Kyle Neath wrote:The push bucket



This tool is a miracle of science. I cannot even fathom not owning it anymore. I want to buy more of them. It holds as much snow as twenty shovels full and can push another ten shovels full in front of the bucket. Instead of laboring with your back and biceps, you can stand up straight and use your legs to push the snow on the ground. This will reduce fatigue by leaps and bounds. Would you rather carry a baby down the street, or push them in a stroller?

The closest I could fine on Amazon was this Kaufman's "Original Snow Scoop" which somehow doesn't look nearly as good as yours.



The next best option on Amazon any way, seemed to be The Snowcaster



Which somehow had far better reviews that a lot of sturdier looking walk-behind snow plow like contraptions.

Kyle Neath wrote:The scraper



The last tool you'll want is a nice metal scraper. I think this was called a sidewalk scraper. But anything of similar shape will do fine. This is for hacking pure ice and scraping hard packed snow/ice off hard surfaces.

That Razorback scraper looks far better (and wider!) than the spud (for taking bark off trees) I've commandeered for ice scraping. Somehow that keeps disappearing down to other locations, too....

Yesterday I saw someone using the push bucket!!!  They were on their roof and using that to slide chunks of snow downward and off the roof.  It made perfect sense to me for that job.

After looking all summer for a metal snow scoop at garage sales and resale shops, I finally just bought a new one.  It's made a little ways from here in the UP.  I haven't used it on the roof yet (its primary purpose) but I'm trying to maintain trails around the homestead with it.  It's great for pushing and collecting a pile of snow.  The issue is where to put the snow.  Or more accurately, how to get the scoop out of the track you're making and be able to dump it off to the side.

If you have a narrow driveway and you need to cart the snow 40' to your snow pile, get one of these.  In my case I have to plan ahead and scoop out a "run away truck ramp" that climbs out of the path and onto the adjoining snow.  Then I can grab a scoop from the path, back up and slide it up the ramp and give it a twitch to shoot the load off onto the pile.  With 5" of fresh snow I can clear about a 25 foot distance with three scoops.

This one has a scraper blade on the front that is riveted on.  If using it on cement or asphalt it seems like the rivets would scrape and wear down.  So I'm just using it on my paths in the lawn for now.  When doing the roof I'll want to leave a skim of snow up there to keep the rivets from digging into the shingles.

Here's the one I got from Kaufman Custom metal fabrication:

True story on the mailbox.

Ours is a metal post sunk into concrete cast into an old tire.

Once the summer weeds grow up around it, nobody knows the difference.  In the winter, however, it really saves my bacon.

Another benefit is when (not, if) somebody slides off the road each winter and hits it, it falls over rather than breaking off.  Plus, if damage to the box itself is too bad to simply pop out by hand, I can haul the whole thing inside and work on it in comfort.

Another tidbit I learned (if it already hasn't been mentioned) is that when the snow conditions get to the point where it sticks to the shovel / plow / tractor bucket (or whatever your using), to put a light coat of WD-40 on them. The snow just slides off like a non-stick fry pan and makes it a lot less tiring too.  

Everything I've leaned about snow - I'm moving in about 5 years!

I wonder if PAM non stick pan coating might be better to use than WD40
I don't shovel any more than I have to.
I let it pile up and drive on top of it.
If it's powdery and cold I'll throw some water on it and let it freeze.

In the spring when everything is sloppy
where I park on the grass is a sheet of ice.
Until the frost goes out and the water sinks into the ground and things start to dry up and get solid.

 When I have to clear heavy snow like in the snow plow berm
I like my light weight aluminum "coal" shovel.
It doesn't grab too much, snow doesn't stick much.

I also have a medium width push shovel with a crooked handle so I can stand up when using it.

Craig,   PAM might work too. WD-40 is just what I had around but any oil may do.

Kyle Neath wrote:Yikes, I couldn't imagine not being able to get the snow into the road and out of the property! But to answer your question, the push-shovel does work great even if you're just piling snow up on your property. I actually have another big ramp of snow just to the left of the top of my driveway. Sometimes there's so much snow I feel bad pushing more into the street (you always wanna keep the road at least one emergency vehicle lane wide). That makes for a slight uphill path, but it still beats flinging snow around with my arms. You just kind of have to change your mindset about snow removal... building little walking/sliding paths to the snow storage area of your choice.

Just like Mike, I live in Wisconsin, where it is absolutely forbidden to push your snow on the road: [You can push it across into the opposite ditch though, if you are careful]  The land is very flat around here, so snow plows can go by at a pretty good clip. When, in a near blizzard, snow plow meets snow berm in the middle of the road, it is a sure disaster that will cost you dearly. Mailboxes get impacted regularly but I'm not sure it is legal for us to plant our mailbox in a bucket of sand or I would do it. So we have to clear the mailbox and store the snow somewhere on the property.
We are well past the age of moving this much snow by hand: Hubby uses the skid steer for the driveway, I use the electric Snow Joe to clear a 4 ft. wide path all the way to the chicken coop, and the "Yooper Scooper" for the finishing job. Indeed, it is much easier to push or pull and drag snow than lifting blocks of snow onto snow banks. My scoop looks a lot like yours, minus the teeth. In Central Wisconsin, I'm lucky I don't get nearly the amount that you get or that Mike gets up north [6"is a "major snow storm"] and totally agree with you that taking care of the snow immediately is a lot smarter than waiting for the snow to stop falling. : It is fluffier while it falls! If I'm dressed warm, I can keep scooping right through the snow falling. I get back in, get warmed up. By then I can do my second shift: each time, there is half as much snow to remove than if I were to do it all in one go. It is less discouraging too. I think my scoop is just a tad wider than yours maybe[?] I've used it to push, of course, but also to *pull* that scoopful out of the way. For that, I have to wade through the deeper snow, but the scoop glides effortlessly over the snow this way, I don't get to a point where I have no room left for the next snowstorm.

I would be interested to see if anybody here has stories and info to share about clearing long laneways/driveways, and maintaining paths and other open areas through winter? What is your philosophy in this? I'm interested in all input, but especially from those who have large amounts of snow that persists for much of the year.



Some ramblings, if permitted:

I expend a lot of energy, physical and fossil, (not to mention mental/emotional energy!) moving snow around. It's a huge task, actually. ~ 12 foot of snow per year, on the ground probably from Nov - Apr, 500m/1,500' driveway, various paths needed to outbuildings and such. Further, if I don't keep areas clear of snow we have increasingly little space to move around.

-For some areas we just walk on the snow and create compacted footpaths - this works well, but the paths are narrow and if you step off of them you are liable to sink deep down into the snow! In the spring/late winter they are not nice to walk on.

-A snowmobile driven on top of fresh now and left to "sinter" can make nice paths, especially if temperatures are not too warm.

-Snow slides off the steel roof and lands on the deck, if you do not get to this snow quickly, it becomes a real chore to remove. It will freeze onto the deck.

-many areas and items essentially disappear until the snow finally melts in the spring... if you leave something out you can consider it gone!

-choose your battles

-time your battles

-learn to watch the weather/read forecasts

-At some point you need to think about drainage in the spring. A big snowbank can be a source or water potentially for months. Best to keep away from foundations/etc if possible

-I look forward to the snow melting so that I can discover what and where the dog has been cacheing all winter

-Be wary of snow build up on top of buildings/structures.The weight of accumulated snow is astonishing... It is easier to clear snow off of a roof than to deal with a collapsed building.

-Currently I have a hefty garden tractor with chains and a front-mounted blower as my main clearing tool. The larger tractor with bucket is occasionally needed to move snowbanks around, or to rescue the stuck smaller tractor... plow on the ATV works great for quickly running down the driveway, but eventually snowbanks can become too large and the plow won't be able to throw snow up and over them, resulting in an increasingly narrow lane.

-My equipment is good, but generally old. It seems that something is always breaking, as long as you're fixing things at the same rate it sort of all evens out...!



I’m always looking for ways to improve and do this more efficiently. I’m not exactly thrilled about the cost, monetary and environmental, of my need to move snow. If I really wanted to cut down on the cost I could probably park our road vehicles by the road, and essentially let the laneway snow in over the winter.



Ultimately I try to embrace the snow as much as possible, there's not much else to do about it. I’ll take a nice cold dumping of snow over freezing rain, that’s for sure! I also find the hard-packed and cleared snow paths and driveway to be aesthetically appealing and kind of a nice surface for walking on, working on, playing on.

John Rosseau wrote:
I’m always looking for ways to improve and do this more efficiently. I’m not exactly thrilled about the cost, monetary and environmental, of my need to move snow. If I really wanted to cut down on the cost I could probably park our road vehicles by the road, and essentially let the laneway snow in over the winter.

While I don't think I get nearly as much snow as you, this has essentially been my approach.  I park my car down near the end of the drive by the road.  Then I just have to shovel my long narrow paths and about 2 car lengths of my driveway.  Reducing my "needs" has saved me money on equipment/fuel, and time to do the work not to mention my environmental footprint.  Now if I had a garage I was parking my car in that might change things, but since for me it's just a matter of selecting a different place outside to park it made sense.

John, for a long driveway I kind of like a snowblower on a garden tractor.  My single stage blower on my 1974 John Deere 110 can blow snow up to 16" deep.  It sucks to do a turning driveway but going straight it's a dream.

I had to clear out a bunch of grassy areas with it for a buddy to drive on and that was a chore.  Any slope and I was getting nervous I'd get stuck trying to back up it (rear wheel drive with a heavy snowblower on the front).  I also dug into the unfrozen ground.  

But it gave me the idea that if I could keep a path clear around the property (to the greenhouse, barn, sugar shack, wood pile, etc) it would be slick.  

Two years ago I just trampled the way but if you step off the side you're screwed (as you say).  Plus we had older visitors and they were really nervous walking the path to visit the sugar shack.

Last winter I shoveled out the paths.  We got a ton of snow so that became a chore.

If I had a SunJoe like Cecile I'd probably just use that and blow the snow away.

David Huang wrote:

Now if I had a garage I was parking my car in that might change things, but since for me it's just a matter of selecting a different place outside to park it made sense.

There's no reason the garage would have to be built near the house. If I had a long drive, I'd be *very* inclined to build it as a separate building close enough to the road as to be practical for winter parking, assuming I was in a snow zone. We don't get a lot, but a friend who has a lovely garage, moves her cars out and up by the road if snow is predicted or else she's trapped until it melts!

John Rosseau wrote:I would be interested to see if anybody here has stories and info to share about clearing long laneways/driveways, and maintaining paths and other open areas through winter? What is your philosophy in this? I'm interested in all input, but especially from those who have large amounts of snow that persists for much of the year.

We are on a private road that is about 1600 feet long and our home is another 600 feet (of footpath) from the road. Over the years, various neighbours have owned various beat up plow trucks and we've always managed to keep the road passable. Last winter we were all alone at the end of the road. Two neighbours died and their spouses moved away, so we were responsible on our own to keep our road open. Or not. We don't have vehicles any more so we really only needed the road open for company, but as you all know, last winter was a time of isolation. We still kept the road shoveled but did so at a leisurely pace, taking long coffee breaks and naps, sometimes taking days to pick away at the snow. It was actually really enjoyable and peaceful to have no machinery involved and to feel a sense of accomplishment and self-reliance when the job was done.
We have accumulated about a dozen different shovels that each have their unique purpose for different snow types or depths. My favourite is a particular snow pusher that has the magical ability to roll the snow just like rolling up a carpet. Conditions need to be just right, with the snow not too deep and not too wet. When everything is perfect it is almost a joy to clear our paths. We keep about 800 feet of footpaths clear and it is something that our visitors always comment on when they walk in to see us. By spring, the paths resemble hallways through the snow.
We have new neighbours now and they will need the road to be kept clear, so we are looking for a plow vehicle that will be affordable, effective and dependable. As with most things, it is becoming clear that whatever we wind up using will be a big bundle of compromises.

Snow Plow Berms: I find the easiest way to deal with this it to completely avoid it.  I will actually shovel the road a good 50 feet on the side the plow will come from so that the bulk of the snow he is pushing is deposited BEFORE it hits MY driveway.  Many think I am nuts, but I would much rather use a push shovel, clear and salt the road than deal with sketchy conditions or shoveling a 2-3 foot solid ice berm.  My driveway is UPHILL to the road, so having a safe clear turning path for exiting and entering the driveway is critical, and that is before you factor in the 4 foot deep ditches on either side of the driveway AND the road.

Snow removal:  On the Wet Coast (BC, Canada) our snow is infrequent, but when it comes it is usually huge, wet, soggy flakes...perfect for back breaking work and freezing into ice.  On the rare occasion it is cold enough for nice fluffy snow, I haul out the leaf blower we adopted.  We don't use it for leaves, strictly as an impromptu snow blower (or gutter cleaner) and is terrific for getting snow out of the way, be it on the ground or on low slope/ auxiliary building roofs.

Snow shovel lubricant: Any sort of wax, oil or grease will keep snow from adherring to a shovel.  Just keep in mind what is the most environmentally friendly.

Driveways and Vehicles: I too park at the end of the driveway; but ALWAYS at least a car length or two back and NEVER on the shoulder of the road (no need for someone slip sliding into my vehicle whilst driving like an idiot).  

An old feed bag, tarp, or even cardboard judiciously placed on the windshield of an outdoor parked vehicle makes windshield clearing a breeze.  

Parking facing the morning sun can also help with snow removal on windshields, nothing like a little free solar energy working for you.

Only dig foot wide "tire track" paths when snow is being difficult.  At the very least, these can be mostly cleared and salted/sanded/kitty litter etc. to deal with the rest.

Tricks:  NEVER walk where you intend to shovel, just seems to pack the crap down and turn it into ice; always sweep or shovel the steps BEFORE stepping on them - so store your snow shovels on the porch or indoors so you can easily access and find them.

Remove hazards such as slick metal roof panels (found THAT one out the hard way last winter!!) that are no issue when you can see them, but deadly when you forget where they are.

Put traction strips on outdoor stairs; put grippers or spikes on your boots/shoes.

Put reflective tape everywhere; it is amazing how things disappear in a good dump of snow.  All my tools, corners, pits, and such have been marked for ease and safety.

Lastly, make it a point to watch or listen to local news broadcasts for weather forecasting; or become addicted to a weather app (https://www.ventusky.com/   is my absolute favorite) so that you are prepared to be without for a while if it gets REALLY nasty.

P.S.  LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the moveable mailbox's; brilliant!!!

Go get a Wovel (https://www.thegreenhead.com/2006/01/wovel-ultimate-snow-shovel.php).  In 2010 we had 50" of snow in 8 days.  Delightful!  Shovel a while. Come in and eat homemade bread and soup. Go out and shovel a while longer.

With the Wovel your lower back is not affected.  However, when you push the snow up and away your arms and shoulders get a good workout.  How good?  The next morning when I brushed my teeth, I put the toothbrush on the sink and held it down with a hand while I moved my teeth back-and-forth on the brush.

You missed some major key points.  Biggest is you obviously don't live where the wind blows.  Down hill is great but in windy country moving the snow to the down wind side is more important because if you move it to the upwind side it acts like a snow fence and buries your path in a big drift meaning more work.  There again if you must do narrow paths they go to the up wind side of the area you want to shovel at a later date.  

Another key point in windy areas is to shape the snow  where you cut it so later stuff blows thru without collecting.  Rounding edges etc will make later jobs easier.  A sharp edge on the upwind side gives a place for snow to fall off but if you round the corners properly the wind will blow a bunch of the snow thru.  There again round the down wind side in more of a flat taper where possible so the wind drives the snow up a ramp and out.  Avoid shapes that create turbulence as that leads to drifts.

Shapes that create turbulence are for places where you want to trigger the snow to make drifts.  Sometimes a bit of early season shovel work completely away from the area you want to keep clear will save you much later in the year.  When making deliberate drifts think about how they will drain as they melt if possible.

Another point to be re-emphasized is to work harder with early season snows as they will be there longer and you want to leave somewhere for later snows to be put. They are usually easier to move.

Finally work smarter not harder.  A snow fence, row of trees etc,  in the right place might save you many hours of shoveling later.

If possible, shoveling snow before feet or time can pack it down is ideal. The task  becomes much more work if a car has driven over the snow or you have walked over it for some time. Sometimes it is so bad you will need to get a scraper or bar to break it up.

Timothy Norton wrote:If possible, shoveling snow before feet or time can pack it down is ideal. The task  becomes much more work if a car has driven over the snow or you have walked over it for some time. Sometimes it is so bad you will need to get a scraper or bar to break it up.

Yep. Packed snow is no fun to remove and not much fun to walk on either when you are old, and not very stable on your legs!
Tossing a few shovelfuls of sand helps...

Lift with your legs, not with your eggs.  Bend you knees, scoop up a little less than you can comfortably lift, & treat it as a mindfulness exercise.  That always seems to get my snow cleared.

We have a tar driveway, 2 cars wide and about 40 foot long.
To my advantage, there is a 6' deep swale between our driveway and the neighbor's so that is where our snow gets pushed.
Depending on the depth and water content of the snow, I spend an hour or three clearing driveway and paths.
The snow scoop (out here they are mostly blue plastic) is a wonderful tool - but I get no more than 2 years out of one before the outer edges are worn off and then the corners break.
They do have a small metal lip, but it's the plastic that fails.
Anyone have suggestions on repair? I can tell you that neither fiberglass nor epoxy glue works.

John Hume wrote:Go get a Wovel (https://www.thegreenhead.com/2006/01/wovel-ultimate-snow-shovel.php).  In 2010 we had 50" of snow in 8 days.  Delightful!  Shovel a while. Come in and eat homemade bread and soup. Go out and shovel a while longer.

With the Wovel your lower back is not affected.  However, when you push the snow up and away your arms and shoulders get a good workout.  How good?  The next morning when I brushed my teeth, I put the toothbrush on the sink and held it down with a hand while I moved my teeth back-and-forth on the brush.

I also have a Wovel (https://wovel.com/) and recommend it. By the way, it stands for "wheeled shovel". I live in town and when I got it the duplex I live in took up one side of the driveway and the neighbor's fence took up most of the other side (fence has since been taken down). That was 50 feet or more of nowhere to put snow. The Wovel makes a decent push shovel, then the wheel is used as a pivot point to throw the snow. You can also "wheelbarrow" snow. One factor is to have the bolt that puts the handle together with the head down and end up. I ripped up my pants and leg before I switched it as you'll probably bonk your leg on the throws until you get used to the motion.

What a wonderful collection of knowledge!  I have enjoyed reading evrry word.  

I have never faced the large amounts of snow Kyle described when he started this thread.

I had a place for several years where the house was above the street, and I had a LONG sidewalk and street frontage.  

It was arid country.  I would shovel the snow up onto my garden beds.  Crazy?  Maybe, but it looked like free water to me.  And we never got even 6 inches at a time.

Where I live now I have a quarter mile of driveway, so I bought a “big” pickup.

I just passed my first winter here.  I did not have to clear the driveway at all.

I’m getting a tractor with a bucket on the front and a landscape box on the back.  I plan to groom the drive and shape it this summer so there’s a crown on it to help with drainage.

I am paying particular attention to the suggestions about snow in windy areas.  I have wind, sometimes a breeze, and sometimes a gale.  I have 6 A acres and not enough irrigation water for all of it, until I get soil microbe community established and adapted pasture and browse.  I would LOVE to have the wind deposit water for me 😊

Thanks everyone for sharing your wisdom.  Interesting to see what you have all come up with!  A lot of thinking about a goal and how to accomplish it.  Some experimenting and revising based on results.  Permaculture at its finest!

Sidewalks are suppose to slant!
Who knew?
Keep the highest side very clean and will dry off in no time as ice will melt to lower side.
Clean up side closest to house and you’ll have an ice free path you don’t have to treat.

I've been there.  It's hell.  When you're in a city, you run out of room to put it real quick.  And there just comes a point where you can't do anymore.  Especially when the city plows come down your street and leave another three feet of it at the end of your driveway after you've already spent hours shoveling.  And that three feet they leave is very compacted and much heavier than what you already shoveled.  A snow blower won't touch it.

Here's what I learned about snow removal:  If you live somewhere where it's prone to a lot of snow, then have a heated driveway and heated roof installed.  Expensive?  Yes.  Worth it?  Absolutely.  If I weren't relocating to the south, I'd be installing these things so fast it wouldn't be funny.  Everyone says how it's not worth the expense until it's time for them to have to shovel out of a storm themselves.  

I enjoy winter but I'm DONE with snow shoveling.  Where I'm going, the average snowfall per year is 6", which melts the same day or in a few days.  Perfect.

Emmett Ray wrote:
Here's what I learned about snow removal:  If you live somewhere where it's prone to a lot of snow, then have a heated driveway and heated roof installed.  Expensive?  Yes.  Worth it?  Absolutely.  If I weren't relocating to the south, I'd be installing these things so fast it wouldn't be funny.  Everyone says how it's not worth the expense until it's time for them to have to shovel out of a storm themselves.  

I don't think my landlord would agree to that (or my neighbor that shares the driveway). 🤔😉😁

I commented on this elsewhere, but as I build or remodel, I extend the roofline of buildings so that any adjoining sidewalk is protected.

Also, I try to put down the ashes, salt, etc. before the snow hits.  This helps to prevent it from sticking to the sidewalk. …makes removal much easier.

My number one tip to shoveling snow is to follow Dick Proennecke's advice: “Chores are easier if forethought is given to them and they are looked upon as little pleasures to perform instead of inconveniences that steal time and try the patience.”

I like the comradery you get when everybody in the neighborhood is out shoveling. A few people on our street use snowblowers, and it's certainly faster, but I feel like they miss out. One Saturday morning we were all out shoveling and I overheard the couple across the street laughing about a friend of theirs who hired somebody to shovel their driveway in order to go to the gym for a workout.

a lot of it depends, as other have noted, on your conditions, area size location etc...

i tried an atv with a plow for years but 170 feet of my driveway has nowhere to "push" to. additionally an atv is useless after about 8 inches of snow..

in the city i had a snowplow and it worked well for a short paved driveway in the suburbs... in downtown a shovel was adequate

eventually i had to get a subcompact tractor -  a b23x - it is the ONLY way to do my driveway. expensive - hell yes but again, the only way... advantage over a blower or blow is, well, it is a tractor - great for garden etc..

a couple of times i shoveled the driveway - took me 3 days after a 10" snowfall and i was exhausted  - that is unsustainable and can be dangerous..

anyway - that is my experience... suited to my requirements today of course - best of luck all - almost over this year anyway!!

Thyri Gullinvargr wrote:

Emmett Ray wrote:
Here's what I learned about snow removal:  If you live somewhere where it's prone to a lot of snow, then have a heated driveway and heated roof installed.  Expensive?  Yes.  Worth it?  Absolutely.  If I weren't relocating to the south, I'd be installing these things so fast it wouldn't be funny.  Everyone says how it's not worth the expense until it's time for them to have to shovel out of a storm themselves.  

I don't think my landlord would agree to that (or my neighbor that shares the driveway). 🤔😉😁

My landlord wouldn't either.  But, speaking as someone who does all the shoveling, by himself, for a very large property with nowhere to put the snow, I'm saying that when I move and get my own house, if it was in a place that got plenty of snow, I'd install the heated roof and driveway.  Obviously, if you're in an apartment building, you can't.

I cannot locate it now, but I have seen an adaptation of a PTO snowblower mounted on the front of a compact tractor.
They built a bracket to hang under the rear PTO, added a driveshaft from the rear end to the front and added chain drive from PTO to secondary driveshaft.
Personally, I can't fathom the idea of a rear mounted snowblower - then having to wrench myself around to drive backwards until the driveway or roadway is clear.
I though the "inventor" had a great idea!
Just wish I could find the article to share.

Then there's this robot snowblower/lawnmower https://www.yarbo.com/. My nerdy side wants this soooo bad, but I really can't justify it. I realize it's not very permaculture aligned, but just because my inner geek is tempted doesn't mean I'll give in. 🤓

Randy Butler wrote:I cannot locate it now, but I have seen an adaptation of a PTO snowblower mounted on the front of a compact tractor.
They built a bracket to hang under the rear PTO, added a driveshaft from the rear end to the front and added chain drive from PTO to secondary driveshaft.
Personally, I can't fathom the idea of a rear mounted snowblower - then having to wrench myself around to drive backwards until the driveway or roadway is clear.
I though the "inventor" had a great idea!
Just wish I could find the article to share.

Erskine Attachments out of northern Minnesota makes one:   https://erskineattachments.com/products/front-mount-snowblower/    

I did the rear-PTO rear-mounted snowblower version .... with no cab! .....for several decades, but in my older years decided my sanity deserved something better.   Deere and a few others make these commercial-grade mowers that come wih a snowblower attachment and solve the problem very well (attached photo).  The blower is shaft-driven from the PTO so has plenty of power.  And the heated cab is a real plus!

I snowshoed in to shovel off two roofs for the second time this winter yesterday
both times were pretty grueling but this time the day length was a bit longer
both times i headed out at dawn and got back to the car as it was getting dark  

i have done a lot of shoveling at home this year as well and i like to switch up the motion when i get tired from one
sometimes once i am tired of the regular motions i dig in and get a scoop and then lever it off my knee and kind of loft it that way
works well if you are facing the direction you are throwing it and start as far back as you can toss it
then scoop reasonable amounts from beyond where you could throw from and walk it over to where you are throwing it
you may have to climb the pile to knock it down and spread it out if there is room to allow for throwing more up