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And you know you are a permie when you kick yourself for taking so long to notice a pattern...
and then you make a new thread about it!

The crabgrass in the yard follows the mole tunnels, it's taking advantage of the fresh turned soil!
The pattern of crabgrass growth in my yard
That gives me better ways to get rid of the crap without pulling it!
Ranks up there with Bermuda grass on my shit list. Bermuda is just crab grass with better PR. I'd love to exterminate them both. Need more clover seeds!!  
 
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... a major hurricane is about to smack you ... then you wonder how the corn is doing & if the hurricane straps on the beehives are strong enough.
 
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When your thrill on a messy day is an email...
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Re:  It's #GarlicWeek 2021!


Oooh! Garlic week sounds much more fun than this week is shaping up to be!!
 
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Perfect week for garlic week. Guess I can put it right where hurricane Ida stomped the last batch of corn. It's all good though. Lost a few trees but other than that no damage. Could have been much much worse.  
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Yay! We all like garlic week! We could declare it a permie holiday!
I cleared the weeds out of a bed this morning, for other reasons, but I think garlic is going into it.

And you also know you are a permie when you sigh, and consider looking up tomato worm recipes, even though you know they are too bitter for even the birds to eat. I'm getting a heavy harvest of the damn things, unlike most of my tomatoes.

Edit: OH WAIT!! Another email, from Fungi Perfecti saying is MUSHROOM MONTH!! Hey! Garlic AND mushrooms!? I swoon with delight!!
 
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When you take pics that excite you...
Tomato worm, before dawn this morning, with the camera flash on:

Tomato worm with the camera flash on


And with UV flashlight on, exact same shot:

Tomato worm with UV light


Now THAT is the way to hunt them!! I forget who told us this, (Heather Sharpe maybe?) but I am VERY grateful for the info! Cheap UV flashlight from Harbor Freight is worth it!

I'm all excited by taking pictures of noxious bugs before dawn....
Never said I was normal....
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Hi. Did you know then so-called Tomato Hornworm is in fact a caterpillar? If you won't kill it it will become a butterfly, the Five-spotted Hawk Moth. The Latin name is Manduca_quinquemaculatus (quinquemaculatus means five-spotted).
Yes, I know, in English you call the butterflies flying at night 'moths', in Dutch we call them 'nachtvlinders, meaning 'night butterflies'. To me 'butterfly' sounds much better than 'moth', and 'caterpillar' better than 'worm'.
 
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You know you're a permie when...
..instead of Hubby finding the proverbial "Kleenex in the wash", he finds nicely washed feed bag string .
It's perfectly nice string and long enough to do *something* with!
 
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Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:Hi. Did you know then so-called Tomato Hornworm is in fact a caterpillar? If you won't kill it it will become a butterfly, the Five-spotted Hawk Moth.


Yeah, and I love the butterflies, I'd just like to get a few tomatoes....
Bad year for them here, lots of people having problems due to weather.
Wish they could bypass the "eat the tomatoes" stage....
I really do hate killing them.
 
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Pearl Sutton wrote:

Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:Hi. Did you know then so-called Tomato Hornworm is in fact a caterpillar? If you won't kill it it will become a butterfly, the Five-spotted Hawk Moth.


Yeah, and I love the butterflies, I'd just like to get a few tomatoes....
Bad year for them here, lots of people having problems due to weather.
Wish they could bypass the "eat the tomatoes" stage....
I really do hate killing them.


Yes I understand that problem.
We are lucky not to have those 'tomato worms' here. But here the tomato plants often die from phytophtora (blight), because of the cloudy wet climate.
The only 'horn worm' type caterpillar I ever saw here was Sphinx ligustri (caterpillar of privet hawk moth). That one doesn't do much harm, because the liguster is a large hedge. And they (the caterpillars and the butterflies) are rare.
 
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When you have to make up new words to express a thought. "Decimated" means one out of every ten, 10%... a new word "septimated" 70%.
Now to use it in a sentence:
I had 5 tomato plants get septimated last night by tomato worms.
Sigh.

EDIT: But! The big black and yellow garden spiders glow under black light, my cat does too, the frogs don't but they apparently see it and resent it being shined on them.
Things I learn pre-dawn...

AND! I make some weird, excellent, waffle things that involve green tomatoes. The worms take a few bites and move on, I gathered the bitten ones, trimmed them well, and we have waffles for brunch!
 
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... When you accidentally dig into a dog poo disposal pit from years ago and discover that, while the surrounding soil is dust from the drought, the poo pit is holding moisture well. And your thoughts turn to the willows you sprouted and are languishing in a pail ...
 
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I was paging through and wanted to tell you that I *still* look at these pictures and sigh at your wonderful coop.
This is definitely what I want.

Life, however, has a huge VETO stamp. and I have to make do with something a bit more store-bought and a bit less organic.
I have enough problems dealing with my doctors' mindsets about having a flock of mixed poultry, trying to spring "and I built their new coop/roosting spot last week out of trash trees and spare fencing!" would be the step too far at this point. I just got them to the point where I can use the Big and Scary words and they don't look at me in a funny way. I have had a nurse yell at me for saying "epiglottis", though it was a couple of years back.

Enough whining. I have 16 chicks camped out in my kitchen and an elderly pup trying to convince me that the geese are out in the road again.
Best thoughts!
 
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When you take cherry tomatoes to your massage therapist.... with fun results!

She said "Oh, I love tomatoes from the garden, my mom gives me some big ones, and cherry tomatoes!" She opened the container and said "Oh, they look neat," ate one "OH MY GOD! I have never had anything like this!" I said "Come to the light side, we have organic heirloom veggies!"

I had taken her a mix, not sure what all of them were, I know it included Yellow Pear, Sun Gold, Lollipop, Tommy Toe, Lofthouse Chariot, Tropical Sunset and Matt's Wild. Definitely not anything she had ever had. Probably just spoiled her for conventional cherry tomatoes!

Yay! Corrupting innocent people who think they know what food tastes like!
 
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Pearl Sutton wrote:Yay! Corrupting innocent people who think they know what food tastes like!



I feel guilty in my breeding project, because I am pretty much culling all of the red tomatoes. They are amazingly flavored compared to grocery store tomatoes... But I think that yellows and oranges are superior, so it's cull, cull, cull.
 
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..when you end up telling a crowd at a store about squash!
They had the "fall decorative" bins out, I snagged a couple. When checking out, I forget what I said, but the clerk said "you are going to EAT those?!" I said "Oh YES! This weird looking one is a Galeux d'Eysines, probably the best pie pumpkin out there! This other one is possibly a Candy Roaster, and if so, it's pretty much the second best one for pies!"  She said to another clerk 'She's going to EAT these!" And by the time it was over, a group of people heard about how to cook them, what to do with them, how to store them and how long they will store. And why the long storage time is why they are a staple crop, and that's what used to go into root cellars (or garages these days.) One older lady said "I used to make pie out of pumpkins when I was young, but they never taste right anymore." I told her 'That's got a lot to do with the variety, the commercial ones are not as good flavored as the older types you used to get." She got me to go out to the bins with her and help her choose a good Galeux d'Eysines.
Yay! Corrupting a store!
Come to the light side, we have organic veggies.... :D
Staff note (Pearl Sutton) :

I did a thread on the good eating pumpkins/squash you may see in "Fall Decor" bins  https://permies.com/t/168071/Fall-Decor-Pumpkins-excellent-eating

Made to be something you can pull up on your phone when you are staring at all the weird pumpkins, wondering which are tasty.

 
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A friend of mine hit the jackpot when a bunch of "decorative" and very edible winter squashes went on clearance for less than a dollar each.  One of them was over 20 lbs and it was delicious.  
 
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You know you are a permie when you are working on a construction site and one day your boss comes to you and asks:

"Is that your bean field and tomatoes in the far corner?"

(Happened to me yesterday ;-)   so I thought about this thread....
 
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You know you're a permie when... you attend a watermelon festival and show up towards the end, and MOSTLY so you can take the rinds home to feed your chickens!
 
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Okay I'm on a roll now!

... when you set up a "decoy" soil mound to distract skunks from digging up your garden beds looking for grubs...

... when you thank the skunk for locating the grubs for you, and dig up the ones he didn't find to feed them to your chickens.

... when you bring a giant bag full of passionfruit from your monster vine everywhere you go, giving them to friends and strangers alike, most of whom have never seen one and ask you how to eat it.

... when you are getting feasted upon by mosquitoes, and your first thought is... "how quickly can I build a predator habitat?"

... when your roommate is throwing something made of paper away, and you find yourself saying, "What are you doing, man?! That's FREE CARBON!"
 
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When you're at a fiber arts guild meeting, and they send the leftover fruit home with you, saying, "we thought your goats,  ducks, turkeys and chickens might like these!", then you steal most of it from the critters, to make vinegar!
 
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Yes !!!   Back in my traveling days I must have had a reputation.  I would sit down at a working lunch with people I had never met before, At the end of the meal, they would have the left overs boxed up and give them to me.
 
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Sooo... a friend dropped off a cooler with a bunch of deer bones in it. So I run out before dark to forage and come back with basil, walking onion, marjoram, bean leaves, a zucchini and dandelion leaves. I get water warming in my big stock pot, chop the veggies up (I added a commercial carrot since I had some.) I put a suitable saw blade in my blade handle (nifty gizmo that's very handy for putting different blades in from my foxtail saw) and saw the bones small enough to fit the pot. I let it simmer for hours and now I need to go and extricate the bones and see how thick the broth is - maybe boil it down some - we'll see?

Is that permie enough?
 
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Darn Jay, I was just sitting here chowing on some of our produce raised pork cooked off the bone, smothered in peas and sorghum thinking I was doing pretty good.  Then I read your post. I think you got me on variety and nutrition. I better go eat a clove of garlic to try to catch up!
 
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You know you are a typical suburban Permie when your early fall days are like this.  

We recently had a woodstove installed.  It is not a rocket mass heater but it is a well designed cast iron stove.  Today the cast iron trivets arrived so I can slow cook in along with the stainless steel table pan and lid that fits inside the woodstove so we can make bio char while keeping me toasty warm this winter.  We will be experimenting with Edible Acres method.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxBUqk2M3Y8

My husband picked up the organic chicken feed from our favorite local hardware store and filled the back of our little SUV with cardboard from their dumpster.  All the carboard we can get our hands on is being used to sheet mulch the new 36' x 34'  greenhouse my husband is finishing building.  

I am currently trying to clear my dining room of home grown food that is currently in there.  The dining room table is covered in winter squashes, apples, pears, brown paper bags full plant parts to save seeds from,  and hazelnuts.  The seedling shelves and tops of the book cases are being used to cure onions, potatoes, various herbs, and more containers of drying seeds.   Scattered among the food décor is canners, stock pots, sheet pans, dehydrator trays and a rather large colander.  All of this needs to be processed and/or moved to it's winter storage location ASAP because there are still cabbages, kale, green onions, parsnips, bell peppers, hot peppers, carrots, celeriac,  sweet potatoes, potatoes, green beans, more herbs,  apples and what ever else I am forgetting that still needs to be harvested.  

While the lamb roast from my friend's farm on the other side of town is cooking I will be working on the preserving the harvest.  The lamb is in the Dutch oven with home made bone broth.  It also has lovage, green onion, lemon thyme, rosemary, and garlic scapes from my garden to make it taste amazing.  Later I will be adding some home grown carrots, celeriac, and parsnips too.  I will be serving it with leftover mashed potatoes (home grown) from last night along with broccoli and green beans from the garden.  We eat well around here.  :)

I fermenting jalapenos, serrano, Beaver Dam hot peppers, and garlic scapes from my garden to make hot sauce. Then I will be turning the last of our home grown pears into pear butter with our own bees' honey.  With any luck I will get a batch of carrots in the dehydrator too.  

My days will look this for the rest of October till I get it all in from the yard and squirreled away.  Our goal was to grow all the veggies we eat in a year and we just might get there.   It will be a long month of canning, fermenting, dehydrating,  blanching and  freezing.
 
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When you leave your wood handle hammer in the market garden in the spring..... When you find it laying on top of the soil in the fall with a rotted handle.  Apparently the living soil can make Hugelkultur above ground!
 
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You know you're a permie when a cousin you grew up with and haven't seen in about a decade comes by for a visit only to have you talk her ear off about everything from all the great planting methods and landrace varieties you've been working on through natural building techniques and rocket mass heater experiments you've tried.

Don't think I even asked about the rest of the family members I haven't seen in the last 10 years or more - plants, soil microbes and green roof underlayments were just too important

We sent her home with volunteer catnips and landrace seeds for carrots, parsnips, lovage, a russian kale mix, onion and watermelon, plus a couple squash varieties she's never heard of  ...and then we wonder why our families think we're strange
 
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When you buy an non-working front load washer for $10 to use it for a round window for your hobbit garden shed, and a fire pit where you can grill your food with wood.   I have added an updated picture with door details painted in.
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When you go to the homesteaders of America conference and talk to famous tubers without knowing they are famous.  My son goes, yes dad they have a homestead tube channel all about the things we do.

I suppose listening to pod casts I don't really see them.  Even with tubers I find one that is talking about something I like and just listen to them while I do research.

 
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When you realize you are outside in house clothes, not work clothes, it's starting to rain, and you are frantically digging through the yard waste pile...

I did clean up yesterday, and was exhausted by the end of it. My mom went out this morning to haul all of the stuff I had pulled or cut to our yard waste pile. I realized as she finished that I hadn't separated out the obnoxiously invasive vines (Virginia Creeper, English Ivy and Vinca) and it's going to rain all week and they were going to colonize the pile.

So there I was, outside getting wet, digging stuff out of the pile, thinking "you know you are a permie when...  you don't want your scrap piles contaminated!" Those piles don't hot compost, and those vines are rowdy.  

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You know you’re a permie when....

You’ve read ‘The Humanure Handbook’ by Joe Jenkins and it makes complete sense to you.

The only thing stopping you from composting your chicken carcasses are that you don’t want foxes chewing through the side of your compost bin to get to them.

You see a rotten pumpkin at your supermarket on the way out and have to stop yourself asking the security guy if you can take it home for the compost.

‘Food waste’ no longer feels so much like waste, as it’s now future plant nutrients.

You’re suddenly obsessed with fermenting things....anything from your own kombucha to sourdough bread and sauerkraut.

You suddenly realise that you have a place in the eco system....and how huge and intricately connected that ecosystem is. It’s truly a beautiful thing.

 
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When you casually note that your canned food jars are labeled with variety names.
It matters if canned pumpkin is a Galeux d'Eysines or a Candy Roaster!
 
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It totally does matter. I hear candy roaster is especially sweet and tasty.
Staff note (Pearl Sutton) :

Yes, it is!!
A thread on asst winter squash that talks of them
https://permies.com/t/168071/Fall-Decor-Pumpkins-squash-excellent

 
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See Hes wrote:You know you are a permie when you are working on a construction site and one day your boss comes to you and asks:
"Is that your bean field and tomatoes in the far corner?"....



One of my co-works reminded me the other day about when I disappeared down by the creek at a job site over my lunch break only to reappear with a grocery bag full of nettles. (And neither of them took my up on my dare to reach into the bag.)

You wonder if your role in the city ecosystem might be most similar to a fungi. Gather wood, cardboard, and vegetable scraps and turn them into yummy food.

It bothers you to even contemplate throwing away the ashes from your wood stove because you'd be throwing away good nutrients even though your soil is already slightly alkali.

The local tree trimmer remembers you from last year and wonders how you have room for a 5th load of wood chips in your 1/8th acre suburban lot.

Your wife gets territorial in forbidding you from dumping wood chips on her part of the yard because they're prickly on your 2 yo's feet.

You set up a game cam in the garden to figure out what's been digging the place up (family of 4 raccoons)

You're quite distressed when your 2 yo breaks your rain gauge!

When a plant dies and you see if as an empty spot to plant something in that you didn't have room for before.

When you plant said interesting new berry bush that neither you nor your wife are crazy about because "it grows here without much work!" (gojis)

Daniel
 
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You know you are a Permie when you are invited by your boss to a car show and you can't stop staring in the opposite direction as all other visitors because there is a tree behind you that you cannot Identify and thinking how that would fit in your food forest and what purpose it could have.

You know you are a permie when your hungry guests ask you if you have the food panda and Uber food app on your phone, but you can only find the google leaf finder or tree identifier App.  
 
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You know you are a permie when you wish your lawn was covered with plantain instead of grass.
 
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When you're at a restaurant and you order a dessert which comes with passionfruit sauce, and there are whole seeds in it, and you're tempted to collect them and plant them at home...
 
roses are red, violets are blue. Some poems rhyme and some are a tiny ad:
Free Seed Starting ebook!
https://permies.com/t/274152/Orta-Guide-Seed-Starting-Free
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