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For a while I had about 30.  But after some thought, I combined a few and ended up with 26.  Shawn helped me polish the list.     And then I found that i very much wanted a lot more of one than another, so the one I wanted a lot from i divided.   And while yakking on and about it yesterday, jocelyn (and maybe jeremy) helped me think of two more.  A bit more fiddling and I am now at 20.

I cannot help but think that there are 4 more that I have not thought of yet.  Somehow, it seems like 24 is gonna be THE number.  I feel that sharing where I am now, there could be some brainstorming (shitty ideas leading to good ideas) that will finish up this list.   (maybe gardening needs to be divided?)



lumber woodworking
  dimensional lumber
  heavier on power tools
round wood  woodworking
  Green woodworking
  proenekke (all hand tools)
natural building
  cob / plaster
  straw bale
  wofati
Food Prep and Preservation
  Fermentation
Wildcrafting and guerrilla gardening  (xxx needs better title)
  fishing and hunting
gardening
fabrics (xxx better name?)
  mend clothes, make clothes
  curtains, upholstered furniture
  leatherwork
  basket stuff
rocket
  rocket mass heater
  rocket oven
  rocket cook top
tool care
  small tool care (sharpening/handles/etc.)
  large tool care (truck/tractor/etc.)
  appliances
  bicycles
Metalworking
  welding
  cutting
  blacksmithing
  casting
  bending/shaping
  grinding
animal care
  chickens
  pigs
  cattle
  rabbits
  sheep
  goats
  dairy
  beekeeping
  fish
  butchering
electricity (including solar)
  simple solar (no battery, strict DC)
  basic solar (battery, strict DC)
  full solar (battery, AC/DC)
woodland care
  junkpole fence
  Firewood
  coppicing
  living fence
  twig construction (arbors, tomato cages, trellises, wattle fence)
community living
  public art
  cooking 4 meals for a group
  (xxx needs more stuff here)
commerce (be able to do business)
  set up a residual income stream
  bring income from the greater community
  bring income from the global community
earthworks
  roads, trails, and lawns
  experience with large equipment
  dry stack
greywater and willow feeders
plumbing and hot water
nest
  cleaning
  shoveling snow
natural medicine



 
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I'm curious as to what else might be included in "nest." Right now it feels very weak to me. But I guess I just like to think that everyone knows that stuff. Especially snow shovelling for us northerners.
 
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Perhaps textiles instead of fabrics?

Wildcrafting works, but I agree that another term for guerilla gardening might have to be found.

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Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:I'm curious as to what else might be included in "nest." Right now it feels very weak to me. But I guess I just like to think that everyone knows that stuff. Especially snow shovelling for us northerners.



I think there would be a list of unconventional cleaning experiences.  

  - Clearing a clogged sink with zip tool (instead of the chemical solutions)

  - cleaning an oven with something other than the chemical solutions

  - washing dishes

         o getting the job done without sponges or other tools that harbor funk
         o care for kitchen wood
         o care for cast iron
         o using the dishwasher as a drying rack
         o favoring hot water over soap

  - washing a floor with water

  - using the following things when water alone won't get the job done, and then, using them very sparingly

         o vinegar
         o baking soda
         o citrus based solvents
         o hydrogen peroxide

  - drying clothes

         o on a clothes line
         o on a drying rack

  - washing clothes manually


I suspect that once we start down this road, there will end up being a lot of things here.  However, I do not yet know what might be in this space for wood or iron badges




 
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Fungi? As its own category? Or maybe fits under woodland management?
 
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Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:Fungi? As its own category? Or maybe fits under woodland management?



probably wildcrafting.
 
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Uh... What is PEP?

Anyway, thoughts on the hierarchy:

- s/b more stuff under food prep
- " gardening
- "bicycles"; under a "Transport" title (includes need and options for on-site transport, public transport, repair facilities, feet(shoes), rickshaws, wheelbarrows, wheelchairs, ADA(permie version)
- "Metalworking"; everything under either "welding" or "smithing"; add "sheetmetal"
- "Electricity"
     Generating
        Solar
        Wind
        Hydrolic
        Liquid fuel generators
     Energy Storage (mostly batteries, possibly reservoirs)
     Wiring
 Earthworks
     Types (terrace, swales, hugel, roads, trails, ponds, dams, retaining walls, etc)
     Equipment (hand and heavy both)
     (lose the "lawns")
Plumbing; includes greywater; "willows" = part of greywater; drainage
Nest
    Cleaning
    Seasonal (includes snow)
    Vermin (bugs, too)
    Health impacts of various options; ADA
   
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"Wildcrafting and Guerilla Gardening", could become "Wildcrafting and Wildcultivating"...

The "Wildcultivating" meaning anything from seed-bombing, to median plantings, to encouraging "crops" that you are wildcrafting to be more prolific... influencing the landscape/nature for some benefit.

Where "wildcrafting" is more the hunter-gatherer... taking advantage of what exists in nature.
 
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under Metalworking, blacksmithing and forging seem to be duplicates, no? or maybe... so important as to rate two entries! ;-)

I agree with Rufus, there's a bunch of stuff like "cutting", "bending and shaping", "grinding", that fit under the umbrellas of "welding" or "blacksmithing", and that "sheetmetal" is a good addition/distinction.

I also think that adding "machining" or "machine shop" would be a good idea as the umbrella covering: drilling, tapping/threading, sawing, filing, lathe and milling work, measuring/tolerances, properties of metals/metallurgy stuff.


Dry stack is more earthworks than gardening...

That leaves gardening, empty.
Is gardening...?
food production, as in vegetables and grains?
herbs for food and medicine?
flowers?
tree crops?
composting?
no till?
STUN?
swales, berms, hugels? (maybe also more earthworks-y)
 
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Kenneth Elwell wrote:blacksmithing and forging seem to be duplicates, no?



blacksmithing:  heating a chunk of metal and mashing it into a shape

forging: pouring liquid metal into a form

 
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paul wheaton wrote:forging: pouring liquid metal into a form


I think "casting" be a better word for the latter.  I'm a hobbyist blacksmith and I'd consider "blacksmithing" to be making fire, heating metal and shaping it.  I'd consider "forging" to be the subset of hammering or otherwise influencing hot metal to change shape.
 
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Mike Jay wrote:I think "casting" be a better word for the latter.



Change made!
 
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Or "foundry", which is more specific to "casting" metals, than the generic "casting" applying many materials that have a liquid-->solid phase change (plaster, wax, rubber, ceramic, concrete...)

Also, it's alliterative... "Forge and Foundry"
 
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i moved "dry stack" to earthworks
 
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Starting to flesh these out a bit.

gardening
https://permies.com/t/96686/PEP-Badge-Gardening

woodland care
https://permies.com/t/96947/PEP-Badge-Woodland-Care

 
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Each badge will have several bits that need to be verified to qualify for the badge.  I have decided to call these "badge bits" or "BBs".

In the case of the sand badge for woodland care: https://permies.com/t/96947/PEP-Badge-Woodland-Care - there would be 8 BBs.  In a way, it acts as a bit of a checklist.  
 
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