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This is a badge bit (BB) that is part of the PEP curriculum.  Completing this BB is part of getting the sand badge in Homesteading. (Note that this BB is part of a four-part choose your own adventure called Little List. You must complete four Badge Bits in the Little List.)

In this Badge Bit, you will install a carbon monoxide detector.



Some related articles on carbon monoxide
  - Carbon Monoxide
  - Carbon Monoxide Safety
  - How to Install a Carbon Monoxide Detector







To complete this BB, the minimum requirements are:
  - you must install a carbon monoxide detector

To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must provide:
   - a before picture of the location for the carbon monoxide detector
   - a progress picture of the installation
   - an after picture of the location for the carbon monoxide detector
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I have put this off far too long. As a firefighter, I should know better.
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I hereby certify that this BB is complete

 
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When installing your detector please remember two things - your insurance or local building code may have ideas on the best place to install it which may not be the best place to detect CO levels.

Our local building code has words about where the CO detector is to be installed.  To keep our insurance valid, we had to install the CO detectors near the ceiling.  When we talked with the inspector about this, he said, yeh, it's stupid because CO sinks!  If you have CO at ceiling level, you're dead.  So we have two detectors at each location.  One where the building code requires it, and one at knee height so that we can survive to claim the insurance.  

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Please see this later post for some serious myth-busting: https://permies.com/wiki/108946/PEP-BB-homesteading-sand-monoxide#980224

 
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Yep! I have mine installed at the floor next to my woodstove. Pretty sure there's some more elsewhere in my house, too. But, that's the most important one--I want to know ASAP if my woodstove is making too much CO2!
 
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VERY IMPORTANT!!!

It seems that there is some confusion about the difference between carbon monoxide (CO) and carbon dioxide (CO2). The differences between them are more than just the number of oxygen molecules.

CO2 will fill a basement. One important case study of this was a restaurant that had a CO2 leak with their soda fountain.

CO is lighter than air, and is best detected at the ceiling level or a few inches below it. The best location will vary depending on the air flow in the space. A vent, for example, might blow air in such a way as to effectively form a screen in front of the detector. CO is the product of incomplete combustion. A RMH should produce no CO, but will produce steam and CO2.

A quick internet search shows that this is an extremely common misunderstanding. Even the red cross got it wrong!

I am certified in HAZ-MAT ops by two certifying agencies, but I don't ask you to simply believe me. Please investigate this yourself!

I did find this to be a pretty good explanation https://www.co2meter.com/blogs/news/1209952-co-and-co2-what-s-the-difference)

I hope this is helpful to some of y'all.
 
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wow!  The city was right!  That's... that doesn't normally happen.  Looks like the inspector got caught in the myth.

Oh well, we have extra CO detectors now.  Not a bad thing since we heat with wood in the winter.  
 
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Here is my submission for the Homesteading - Sand - Install a Carbon Monoxide Detector BB.

I purchased and installed a Kiddie CO Alarm that plugs into an outlet and has a back up battery.  I chose to buy and install a unit low to the ground because my understanding is that CO pools at the ground so having a unit low provides a quicker or earlier alarm than from a ceiling mounted unit.

To document the completion of the BB, I have provided:
   - a before picture of the location for the carbon monoxide detector
   - a progress picture of the installation
   - an after picture of the location for the carbon monoxide detector
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This outlet is near the "foot" of my bed and approximately 12" above the floor.
This outlet is near the "foot" of my bed and approximately 12" above the floor.
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installing back-up battery
installing back-up battery
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unit installed
unit installed
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Ashley Cottonwood approved this submission.
Note: I certify this BB complete!

 
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Installing CO detector in the classroom at basecamp

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New location found up high
New location found up high
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Screws in
Screws in
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Detector installed
Detector installed
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Nicole Alderman approved this submission.
Note: I hereby certify that this badge bit is complete, and congratulate you on your Homesteading air badge!

 
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Installed a carbon monoxide detector.
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I installed a Carbon Monoxide detector




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The smoke detector in the basement was expired and needed to be replaced. It is a hardwired detector, so I replaced it with a hardwired smoke/CO detector that has a battery backup as well. (I replaced upstairs that I am submitting for the smoke detector detector BB.)

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The old detector,
The old detector,
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The new detector that also detects CO.
The new detector that also detects CO.
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The old detector removed.
The old detector removed.
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The new installation underway.
The new installation underway.
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Installed and working.
Installed and working.
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Note: I certify this BB complete!

 
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I got a smoke detector/carbon monoxide combo for a bedroom in my house.  It was installed today!
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I forgot to take the picture before the anchors where put in...hope this still counts.
I forgot to take the picture before the anchors where put in...hope this still counts.
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Mounting bracket installed.
Mounting bracket installed.
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Putting the unit on the ceiling.
Putting the unit on the ceiling.
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All installed!
All installed!
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Here is my BB submission

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Installed (and tested) carbon monoxide detector in the kitchen (under the cabinets/above the counter)

*just wanted to mention I honestly didn't realize quite how dirty my kitchen walls were until i took these pictures for this BB...could washing walls be an oddball BB? maybe 1/2 point? i'm going to clean them regardless, just figured i'd ask
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Here's the BB that you may be looking for: Clean interior walls and ceiling of a room - https://permies.com/wiki/157879/pep-nest/Clean-Interior-Walls-Ceilings-Room

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To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must provide:
  - a before picture of the location for the carbon monoxide detector
  - a progress picture of the installation
  - an after picture of the location for the carbon monoxide detector


My house has a strange arrangement for the ventilation of the basement boiler. It involves piping coming up through the basement, into my laundry room on the first floor, and then into a brick chimney that emits my oil boiler fumes above the roof. This BB gave me the push to get a CO detector in the room in case of escaped gases.

I placed it at shoulder height because that is breathing height in this particular room. Bedrooms I would do knee height because that tends to be how high you are laying down. I never understood the ceiling line instruction.
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10 Year Sealed Battery as per requirement in my state.
10 Year Sealed Battery as per requirement in my state.
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One screw in, checking for distance for the other screw.
One screw in, checking for distance for the other screw.
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Turned on, mounted, and functioning.
Turned on, mounted, and functioning.
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Note: You may want to consider moving it lower in case you ever have pets or children in that area.  Or just to catch a problem before it gets too bad.

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Please unconsider that suggestion.  CO is lighter than air so place it (or leave it) wherever you think is best.  Sorry for the unsolicited opinion

 
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We bought a smoke detector that also serves as a carbon monoxide detector.

After reading the installation menu carefully we decided to place it in the room where the stove is but not too close.
We'll only need one alarm as we don't have doors but arches separating rooms.
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