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I'm new to Permies, and like the idea with PEP/SKIP BB's

When I was in the navy, as a Weapons Tech and we had On the Job Training Program and Checklists to do.

It's a way to take lots of knowledge and info and put it into practice and get experience.

I'm looking at this as a similar opportunity to learn a vast amount of info and knowledge, and a way to learn and practice in obtaining the experience needed for the Homesteading lifestyle :)

Thanks for the post.

I like to get the Ebook and read more about the program and to see what steps are needed to get started :)
 
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early draft of the pep ebook

https://permies.com/t/125541/PEP-eBook-early-draft

 
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Wow, I'm so thrilled to have discovered this thread.  I haven't read it all so probably what I have is redundant, but the biggest motivator for me is the "Otis's" out there, and actually meeting/hearing them wanting their land to continue to be used as farmland.  The idea that that resource could continue to be sell stewarded.  I don't know if there are more posts from farmers, I saw one but if I saw a bunch from them in my region (New England) that would probably get me more motivated.

I also would want to have more PEX articulated, which might be something the "Otis's"/farmers would need to state.  They might not have to do the whole process of finding a youtube video fo how to do X, just say "I need people to be able to do X for basic consideration" etc.

Skandi, I hope they can change the inheritance laws in Denmark to make it easier for farmland to be continued!  I think a bill for that could get a lot of support these days, Denmark is pretty "green" yes?
 
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What would be really great is to have more badge-awarders.  I think if you get the badges then you can approve others to get badges, or at least it's a prerequisite.  (I need more clarity here myself on this).  If you already have land you can help other people who don't have land! you can help farmers who need someone to succeed them.  You can also lend some parts of your land to someone to make use of for doing badges possibly (let's say if you need a live tree felled some time???). I know it's tedious documenting a skill but it can be of service to others and the planet.

If you knew some "Otis's" and some industrious young people who couldn't afford college, would that motivate you to become a badge certifier?

 
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Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:What would be really great is to have more badge-awarders.  I think if you get the badges then you can approve others to get badges, or at least it's a prerequisite.  (I need more clarity here myself on this).



For any aspect that you have a Sand (or higher) badge in, you can certify any BB you've done in that aspect.

For example, you have the Sand badge in Gardening. This means you can certify any Gardening BB that you've already completed. Looking at your Merit Badge Profile, that means you can submissions in:

Build a Hugelkultur
Chop and Drop
Ruth Stout Composting

But, you can't certify any other BBs.

But, say for example, you went and earned the Wood BB grow perennials from seed, you'd be able to certify anyone else who submits that BB, even though you haven't earned the Wood badge.

Does that help clarify things?
 
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It would be awesome to see a thread for BBs like the
Reverse Kickstarter
-- a place to pledge or Pay It Forward to encourage people to complete badges and BBs. For example, for the next few who complete a specific sand badge, maybe someone could pledge something that would help with the next badge, like the seeds needed for the gardening badges or the Flax to Linen ebook for completing the textile sand badge. Or a handmade gift or monetary pledge for the first person to complete a BB that you just want to see done by someone.

It's obvious that SO much work has gone into PEP, and I'd love to see it used for more than SKIP. I'm using it as a framework for building skills that could be useful on my own property. I was at a loss of where to start, and PEP has taken out some of the guesswork, especially with the video and article links within the BBs and people posting their own completions.

On my phone, I can't tell if the thread actually linked at the beginning, so just in case, here's the Reverse Kickstarter thread that I referenced: https://permies.com/wiki/90168/permaculture-projects/Biological-Reverse-Kickstarter
 
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Nikki Roche wrote:It would be awesome to see a thread for BBs like the
Reverse Kickstarter
-- a place to pledge or Pay It Forward to encourage people to complete badges and BBs. For example, for the next few who complete a sand badge, maybe someone could pledge something that would help with the next badge, like the seeds needed for the gardening badges or the Flax to Linen ebook for completing the textile sand badge. Or a handmade gift or monetary pledge for the first person to complete a BB that you just want to see done by someone.

It's obvious that SO much work has gone into PEP, and I'd love to see it used for more than SKIP. I'm using it as a framework for building skills that could be useful on my own property. I was at a loss of where to start, and PEP has taken out some of the guesswork, especially with the video and article links within the BBs and people posting their own completions.

On my phone, I can't tell if the thread actually linked at the beginning, so just in case, here's the Reverse Kickstarter thread that I referenced: https://permies.com/wiki/90168/permaculture-projects/Biological-Reverse-Kickstarter


Hi Nikki. Do you mean this for everyone doing BBs? Or only for boots (and others at WL) doing BBs?
If you mean for everyone that will be quite difficult. We live in many different places / countries. Sending gifts to anyone who completes a certain Badge will become expensive (shipping)!
 
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Inge Leonora-den Ouden wrote:
Hi Nikki. Do you mean this for everyone doing BBs? Or only for boots (and others at WL) doing BBs?
If you mean for everyone that will be quite difficult. We live in many different places / countries. Sending gifts to anyone who completes a certain Badge will become expensive (shipping)!



I was attracted by the offer of Sepp Holzer grains for achieving BB20 so I was thinking everyone, but that's a good point about shipping and regulations. I guess participants would have to specify what country they were willing to ship to or stick with digital items and PayPal/Venmo pledges.
 
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Yeah, I could imagine someone saying they would pay $XX to the first person who "sews a vegan winter coat and proves it can handle the cold" or $YY to the first three people who earn the "build a rocket mass heater" BB.
 
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Nikki Roche wrote:I was attracted by the offer of Sepp Holzer grains for achieving BB20 so I was thinking everyone, but that's a good point about shipping and regulations. I guess participants would have to specify what country they were willing to ship to or stick with digital items and PayPal/Venmo pledges.



I thought the possibility of getting the grains was pretty neat as well. Unfortunately, when I did my BB20, I realised that they could not be imported into NZ without a significant cost in paperwork (genetic tests, etc). That being said, I'd be happy to provide some interesting seeds to local folks reaching BB milestones. Woad seeds? European fibre flax seeds?



Mike Haasl wrote:Yeah, I could imagine someone saying they would pay $XX to the first person who "sews a vegan winter coat and proves it can handle the cold" or $YY to the first three people who earn the "build a rocket mass heater" BB.



I think perhaps other rewards could be as or more motivating--rare plant cultivars, books on different relevant topics, specialty tools, blueprints, handcrafted items. Perhaps even one-on-one tutoring or an internship on a property.
 
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I fell asleep thinking about this. I currently don't have the mental energy to spearhead it and don't even know if Paul would approve the idea. I'd love to see incentives for different badges or badge bits, such as "this reward for the first person to complete this part" or "this reward for the next xx people who complete this badge." There could be a thread set up similar to the Boots thread of pledges/rewards with info of who to message or how to go about receiving it once you qualify.

Rewards (is there a better word for it?) would ideally be relevant to the badge and hopefully helpful toward achieving the next level. An online herbal course after receiving the straw badge in natural medicine. Plans or blueprints from Paul (or others) at different levels of natural building, rocket mass heaters, etc. Relevant ebooks, digital templates, video courses. What else would be helpful yet not cost prohibitive?
 
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How about a mechanism for self-awarding badges on an honor system? Different ones of course, so certified badges would still have higher value for those who care.

I've been very inspired by many of the badges to try new things (that's how I got hooked on cast iron ), but I don't feel the need for documentation or external validation.

I generally keep it in my head (At my stage of life, I don't need to prove anything to anyone but myself), but if  you wanted to have an idea of how many people are impacted by the system but don't take the time to get certified, I'd be willing to check a box saying "yup, permies made me try this".

And even if you don't implement honor badges, the fact that people do not participate visibly in the program doesn't mean it doesn't have significant impact.
 
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Lean into PEX, not PEP. Three BB that I consider finished weren't approved and it took the wind out of my sails. I'm still experimenting with things, but documenting it for this site isn't a priority. I thought it would be a fun thing to do with my kids, but to be honest the juice isn't worth the squeeze as it stands. Get me excited with community feeling, not gurus and gatekeepers.
 
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I think there should be a link to a relevant SKIP forum thread in each daily-ish. My issue is that I forget about them, even when I'm doing stuff that would qualify and so I don't document them. I usually read the daily-ish so that would get it towards the top of my brain. Even if it is a specific skill I'm not interested in, it gets me curious and thinking about what other ones I could be doing.
 
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I really don't live in a suitable region for 95% of these things. That's what's stopped me. I'm the type that will often refuse to drive 5 minutes for something, do without it, and wait until I have a bunch of things to take care of and do it all at once. I would never be willing to drive hours all the time to complete some of these things.

Pollute now so that I can pollute less in the future? I don't know. I hate car-centric society.
 
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