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John Wolfram wrote:I assume most of that $1,000 is for the heating pads rather than the lights. Is there any place you can move your seed starting operation that is already relatively warm? As an example, I start seeds in my furnace room without the use of heating pads since it already is quite warm and is an otherwise unused space in the house. After things get too big for the furnace room, I move them to my insulated, but unheated, garage to grow until conditions allow them to be planted outdoors.
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r ranson wrote:We generally only start seeds indoors that are pushing our local zone like some hot peppers, cucumbers, and tomatoes.
What do you actually need to start inside?
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. Not sure how to do that quickly and easily for enclosed spaces, but it's worth some brainstorming! Certainly, I'm going to have to plan a longer term solution because I don't see this getting any better or easier in coming seasons.Anne Miller wrote:Back in Florida and California, it was a standard practice to use smudge pots to protect fruit harvest so maybe something like this would work for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smudge_pot
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Matt McSpadden wrote:
I second the comments to bring it inside. You can fit a lot of seedlings on a $25 shelf from amazon, and if it is as important as you say, then dealing with the inconvenience for a few months may not be too big a deal.
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Nissa Gadbois wrote:
r ranson wrote:We generally only start seeds indoors that are pushing our local zone like some hot peppers, cucumbers, and tomatoes.
What do you actually need to start inside?
Same. But we have a 1.5 acre market garden to start for and that's a lot of plants. . <insert long boring story about how the pandemic killed our business and we need to restart from zero>
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Anne Miller wrote:Something like these are what I had in mind:
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.Greg Martin wrote:
Matt McSpadden wrote:
I second the comments to bring it inside. You can fit a lot of seedlings on a $25 shelf from amazon, and if it is as important as you say, then dealing with the inconvenience for a few months may not be too big a deal.
Not sure that this helps, but when I needed to create a lot of seedlings for a breeding project, I made a grow tower in my unheated basement from two shelving units. Each level held 6 flats of 37 seedlings x 5 layers for 1110 seedlings. I hung metalized plastic survival blankets around it to help it maintain the warmth from the lights and it did very well for me. Cost a bit for the set up, but I figured that the waste heat from this set up at least was happening at a time I need to heat my home anyway.
Now a days I have an unheated sunroom that I use. Between the coolness and me occasionally running my hands over the plants, they don't seem to get significantly lanky on me. I put the flats in warm spots in my house to aid germination and check them frequently. As soon as they start germinating it's out into the cool sunroom with them for their sunbathing start off.
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John Indaburgh wrote:I'd suggest you consider building a huge hot frame using free pallets to contain manure inside a hoop house. If you use 10 pallets in an 80"X120 inch bed you can contain the manure at 2, 3 or more feet in height. By sliding slats thru and across the pallets you can support your seed starting trays at any height above the top surface of the manure. You'd need some 2X4's to hold the pallets together and add "shrink wrap" to contain the manure. A cover over the top would help contain the heat on colder nights.
I've found I can start seeds on April 15 in my cold frame instead of starting seeds on March 15 and they are 12 inches tall by May 15; 2 or 3 times taller.
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Eino Kenttä wrote:How about using some form of compost heat system (don't know the correct term in English, but the technique where you use heat from decomposing horse dung or such) to replace the heat mats? I believe that's what they used to have before heat mats were a thing...
Matt McSpadden wrote:If electricity is not an option, you might do some research on hot frames. They similar to cold frames, except they would dig down maybe a foot or two, add 2/3 or 3/4 of fresh manure and bedding, then cover the last bit with soil. The manure would compost and produce heat that would radiate up into the roots and allow the plants to grow better and earlier. Some people may not realize that keeping the roots warm is more important than keeping the leaves warm. There are many plants that cannot survive freezing temperatures can survive fine in 20F air, if the soil where their roots are is 50F.
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Heather Staas wrote:Maybe this could be a "the problem is the solution" situation.
Instead of trying to get a jump on warm season crops along with other "traditional" market garden expectations, it's an opportunity to offer some earlier/ perennial/ unusual offerings that sets your market garden apart from others? That will depend on your clientele and expectations somewhat, but I can't help but think there is an opportunity in this in a good way. Less input, more interesting product, introducing more variety and versatility.
I'm in your zone and have never started anything using electricity, but I'm not working on a large scale either; only home use. Can you grow/overwinter super early crops in your greenhouse so you are providing them for sale when everyone else is starting seeds? One of my earliest spring harvests is sochan and I start craving it and looking forward to late winter lol. It's so nice.
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r ranson wrote:
Often the harvest is later with the earlier starts because they either get rootbound or they need repotting which can set them back.
And most seeds that people start inside today seem to grow better outside.
I like growin' stuff.
Desmond Sharpe wrote:It boils down to your budget. A kwh costs about $0.27 a heat mat uses about half a kwh a day.
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