Paul wants help coming up with a different name for rocket mass heaters

Don Ritter wrote:This is what someone who knows the history shared with me --

"Rocket stoves are not actually all that clean.

It already has a name, it is called the Walker Stove. If you want a better version just get plans from Matt Walker at Walker Stoves.

So leave the Rocket Mass heater where it is, an older technology that was a stage on the way to clean burning.

Dr TLUD has on his site about Rockets Stoves in regard to cooking. He is the one saying they are not really clean." [/b]
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Perhaps this may be helpful or not....

If one is making claims like this, show me the numbers, or I'm going to ignore you. Peter has consistently shown the numbers. I installed thermocouples in my stove so I could see the numbers.

This is the age of science.  Show the numbers. No excuses.

Solomon Parker wrote:

Don Ritter wrote:This is what someone who knows the history shared with me --

Dr TLUD has on his site about Rockets Stoves in regard to cooking. He is the one saying they are not really clean." [/b][/i]
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Perhaps this may be helpful or not....

If one is making claims like this, show me the numbers, or I'm going to ignore you. Peter has consistently shown the numbers. I installed thermocouples in my stove so I could see the numbers.

This is the age of science.  Show the numbers. No excuses.

So, yes, there are the numbers but they are on the quoted site. https://www.drtlud.com/introduction/  For my money Don Ritter is comparing apples with oranges.  The Top-loading Updraft (TLUD) cooker is just that.  It is a fairly complicated (to my mind) cooking system with a carboniferous residue. The RMH is primarily a space heater with adapted smart functions such as cooking and has a residue of some carbon but mainly minerals left from the plant metabolism. the TLUD is metal and has to be manufactured by someone who has the skill/ tools.  The RMH can be made by anyone out of anything ground/ earth based with the addition or otherwise of a metal flue system.

Don Ritter has shared a third person narrative which is "a story" and therefore not necessarily fact.  Solomon has chosen because there are no numbers (which there never usually are in a narrative) to ignore the post unless the numbers are produced. I went to the site and my take is that apples and oranges cannot be compared and both have their place in our world.

Jay Angler wrote:paul wheaton wrote:

So even if you burn the twigs that fall from the trees in your yard or amazon boxes, you could, from a certain perspective, call it a zero carbon heater.

I don't know about "zero", but it is "short cycle" carbon use. Fossil fuels are long cycle taking many lifetimes to go from plant life to fuel. Burning twigs take a blink of a lifetime because they will regrow in a season. Grow the right plants, and they have the ability to take over in a season! Ever seen Himalayan Blackberry grow on the Pacific Wet Coast? It's too prickly for me to want to use it in a RMH, but my Kiwi vine would be a pretty good contender - firewood and fruit on one vine.

Fossil fuels are no longer being produced. At some point fungi figured out how to eat wood and other plant matter, and it stopped accumulating into fossil fuel. And that accumulated plant matter took eons to become fossil fuels.  They truly are non-renewable.

Providence Hearth.

Providence.

The care, guardianship, and control exercised by a deity; divine direction. ... The definition of providence is preparations for the future, frugal management, or divine power. Homesteaders saving food in cans for the winter is an example of providence. Managing a large family on a small budget is an example of providence.

Hearth

the floor of a fireplace.
"the crackling blaze on the hearth"
the area in front of a fireplace.
"they were sitting around the hearth"

Yeah, Ok.  It's kind of hokey.

Rocket Mass Heater... why would you need a new name as it is what it is? Anyone confusing what it isn't needs to be walked away from, left in isolation to wallow in their world, they're not worth the time if they don't take the time.

Wood-to-heat converter with thermal flywheel, Riser-and-wheel, Clean burn heat maker, Rechargeable thermal battery, Fast-burn masonry heater,  Indoor sun, Energy liberation and slow-release mechanism, Heat riser and black box, Riser n' box, Green thermal engine, Waste-wood-to-heat conversion system, Soak n' save stove, Burnin' clean. This is just a brainstrom list.

Jordan Holland wrote:Maximum Efficiency/Minimum Polution Wood Heater.

"Maximum efficiency" gets people's attention, as well as "minimum pollution". It needs the word "wood" to specify the fuel used. I would avoid words like "stove" or "burner" due to a connotation of being unsafe, especially if trying to get accepted by insurance companies. I think "Emm.Eee.Emm.Pee" has kind of an authoritative ring to it, maybe even a military down-to-business attitude, while "maximum efficiency/minimum pollution" sounds like an appliance you would find in a home improvement store.

This is probably the best name so far. How about Maximum Efficiency Radiant Wood Heater? All-day, All the Way Wood Heater?

I've mulled this over and over again, and I think the best route is to go stealth.

Improved Masonry Heater.

That is all.

Blam barrel Heater

Nugget fueled heater

The 90% stove

Radiant Mass Heater

Paul's Cookie Oven

Wheaton Heat Stove

Wood-Gas Heater

Rocket Stove plain and simple... it is what it is.

Joe Danielek wrote:Rocket Stove plain and simple... it is what it is.

For cooking yep. Otherwise, it's a mass heater.

Guess what insurance companies like? A rocket whatever?  that they have never heard of !  Or a plain old mass heater?

Satamax Antone wrote:

Joe Danielek wrote:Rocket Stove plain and simple... it is what it is.

For cooking yep. Otherwise, it's a mass heater.

Guess what insurance companies like? A rocket whatever?  that they have never heard of !  Or a plain old mass heater?

For insurance purposes MASONRY MASS HEATER it is. Even than without a UL Rating its questionable in their minds and rightfully so.

Heat storage unit

Have not been on in a while, and stumbled onto this post....

My opinion on re-naming of the RMH ?  Leave it the way it is.

There has been far too much rebranding, renaming and basicly trying too erase history just to satisfy the short sighted, narrow minded blind idealists who think that if they don't like something, they can make it go away.

Rocket Mass Heater - i have built 2.  They sound like a rocket when you get em going good, and they do a beautiful job of heating a large mass.

The name says it all.  If someone has a problem with it, tell em to do some research.

But then, that is just my opinion.  Delete if it does not "fit in". 😁

Why fit in when you were born to stand out?

I find myself calling a rocket mass heater an efficient masonry heater when discussing it with laymen. They tend to stick around longer and actually listen to me explain the burn tunnel and heat riser. Just my two cents.

My first response to this thread was a huge eye roll. It's hard enough to talk about something revolutionary without the name changing. Second thought was hey, why not use this as an excuse to talk about what it actually does--heats my house cleanly with local wood scraps for about $3000 cheaper per year less than my propane furnace did. Good fun. Who's coming to the Rocket Heater Jamboree in October? We can talk about it more there. https://wheaton-labs.com/rocket-mass-heater-jamboree/?f=51

--Mud